Then propose another AA for top tier Japan, stop hating on Strela. Your anger is aimed at the wrong thing.
81C missile is far better than 9M37M, there’s no competition to be had.
Come on dude, even Stingers can handle heli rushers at pretty close ranges. It’s not like they’re moving perpendicular at 200m/s lol.
81C is clearly better so it should face stronger enemies.
Same thing goes for 9M37M vs Stingers, former can see 9.3 CAS at the lowest, meanwhile Stingers can see 8.3 CAS at the lowest. The clear performance difference has to be differentiated by BR, which is the case at the moment.
Then propose another AA for top tier Japan, stop hating on Strela
When did this happen???
81C is clearly better so it should face stronger enemies.
Because it gets 3 degrees of FOV more? It’s worse at short range and perhaps better at long range, it’s not remotely capable of performing at top tier against top tier CAS, something only the Pantsir is capable of.
Good IR missiles that operate below 5km but above 1km is not sufficient.
(+) thermals and better optics on the platform it’s mounted on.
In one post you say it’s bad at short range and in another you claim it faces absurd CAS weapons. So let me ask you something, aren’t those absurd CAS weapons capable of being launched from great distances specifically to avoid getting close to the battlefield ?
11.3 isn’t lower tier where you’ll have CAS zooming 200m above you doing strafe runs, rather you’ll get killed by something you never heard or seen.
Advocate for BR decompressing and other additions to top tier AAs. Dropping Type 81C below 11.0 isn’t possible since Strela is sitting at 10.3, and it’s obvious former is clearly more than a single BR step better than latter.
(+) thermals and better optics on the platform it’s mounted on.
Thermals don’t mean crap when you can see 1% of the sky at a time and what platform… a literal giant truck with 5mm armor?
So let me ask you something, aren’t those absurd CAS weapons capable of being launched from great distances specifically to avoid getting close to the battlefield ?
Okay, and that requires a capable SPAA to counter it, and not a truck with short range capability that cannot even detect these targets at the range they operate at.
Advocate for BR decompressing and other additions to top tier AAs. Dropping Type 81C below 11.0 isn’t possible since Strela is sitting at 10.3, and it’s obvious former is clearly more than a single BR step better than latter
As I have been for the last decade, but if there is anything Gaijin doesn’t care about, it’s the community.
And I have no clue why you keep saying it’s obvious how it’s far superior when it’s simply not, they are both pretty similar in performance.
Strela can see even less % of the sky at a time, also without thermals. You keep ignoring this advantage for who knows what reason. Strela also isn’t famous for being tanky.
Why did you list it being worse at closer ranges as something important, when obviously CAS at that BR won’t ever come close to you where you’ll actually feel that difference ?
Good, I’ll always support that.
If you have some evidence to back this claim up please post it right now, otherwise it’s pretty obvious from the stat card what missile is superior and it’s also pretty obvious which platform is superior for acquiring air targets.
Strela can see even less % of the sky at a time, also without thermals. You keep ignoring this advantage for who knows what reason. Strela also isn’t famous for being tanky.
Considering we already established the Type 81 has to fight top tier jets and helicopters with far stronger and longer ranged weaponry, and is also the only counter Japan has against said vehicles, whilst Russia has 3 other options beyond the Strela to deal with those targets and the Strela isn’t even needed, I think that’s easily ignored… Russia doesn’t solely rely on the Strela.
Why did you list it being worse at closer ranges as something important, when obviously CAS at that BR won’t ever come close to you where you’ll actually feel that difference ?
Because obviously that still happens, not every nation or every player has the long range CAS and will resort to bombing runs or close range helicopters.
Hold on dude, this is about Type 81C vs Strela, not lineup vs lineup.
Strela was much needed when it was firstly added to fill up a massive gap in the AA line.
You can still engage planes when they’re coming in for a bombing run or disengaging. Helicopters are easy targets since they’re pretty slow and can be heard for a while before they reach striking distance.
Hold on dude, this is about Type 81C vs Strela, not lineup vs lineup.
You can’t compare vehicles without considering the situation they are in, the Type 81 is THE main SPAA for Japan whilst the Strela is not even close to being that.
You can still engage planes when they’re coming in for a bombing run or disengaging. Helicopters are easy targets since they’re pretty slow and can be heard for a while before they reach striking distance.
If they are at least 1km away and you actually see them coming, helicopters beyond 3-4km cannot be locked and anything flying low has the missiles just embed itself in the ground because reasons, but anyone above 5 IQ is going to come in low.
This doesn’t mean Type 81C gets to be lower in BR than it deserves to be.
Common theme of IR slingers, 81C isn’t alone in this.
Have you tried locking the plane and then aiming high up before firing ? I’ve killed loads of “smart” CAS players by doing that.
I’ll need a valid, objective evidence that statcard is wrong. Otherwise I can claim L/44 DM53 is worse than DM43 with my argument being: “Just trust me bro”.
This doesn’t mean Type 81C gets to be lower in BR than it deserves to be.
It deserves to be at a BR where it can actually compete with the targets it has to face and not be one step away from being next to the Pantsir, again.
Outclassed and outranged by jets and helicopters, cannot lock onto scout drones and won’t even be able to spot strike drones.
Common theme of IR slingers, 81C isn’t alone in this.
What other IR slinger is the top tier SPAA of a nation?
I’ll need a valid, objective evidence that statcard is wrong.
Do you think the Type 81 is closer in performance to the Strela or to the Pantsir?
they have similar performances because both have in common the fact that they are IR missiles.
pantsir is a whole different platform and is also higher in BR.
the original post here compares IR missiles not SACLOS missiles.
What a strange argument, everyone talking about their personal AA system being so bad, you guys make em sound useless lmao. I don’t understand the thermal arguments at all, when planes are visible black dots the moment they spawn in, even 20km away.
Personally I find them fairly balanced, maybe Strela could go up to 10.7, I feel its only weakness is range. I mostly use the ZSU-23 with Igla at 10.3, and it still feels great.
It deserves to be at an BR where other, similar vehicles aren’t overshadowed.
Common among IR slingers, either move all down or none.
Doesn’t matter, vehicles aren’t balanced with that in mind.
I already said Type 81C could go down to 11.0, which means it’ll be closer to Strela than it is to Pantsir.
You’re also dodging my question, please provide evidence that 81C missile isn’t far superior to 9M37M, which is true according to the statcard.
It’s more Soviet planners knew they wouldnt win an air war with NATO if the cold war went hot. But they could win a ground war on the belief their SAM and missile regiments would provide enough protection even if the Soviet airforces were knocked out.
NATO has always had superior aircraft and technology if they need a threat shot down they send a jet. They always operate on the assumption they have total air dominance. Why would you need a SAM system that can travel with a convoy if you already have control of the air?
Many NATO nations didnt subscribe to this one being Britain who built and operated numerous SAM platforms and the French who produced the world renowned Roland platform.
This implies you’ll have to stare at all times, which isn’t possible if there’s already something up, especially helis that you can’t see spawning.
Also, on what settings do you play, because those small dots on the sky are much easier to spot with thermals.
No reason for Strela to be 1.3 BR above Stingers.
2S38 is pretty mediocre AA at 10.3, it’s basically a sidegrade to 9040C.
I don’t understand the thermal arguments at all, when planes are visible black dots the moment they spawn in, even 20km away.
Plenty of maps where that spawn is not visible for one, any tree, building or elevation will block that angle, plus finding a single grey pixel in an ocean of pixels that can show up at any direction, any angle is absurd.
No reason for the missiles that pull far more Gs, 4 times bigger fuze radius, slightly better speed, and a 3 times larger warhead to move up? I wont even add the CM resisitance and range, which feel like they are better, could be wrong. I typically think the 9.3 stingers need to move up anyways, as they invalidate aircraft below them in BR from even being able to play.
And the vehicle with a far larger ready rack, IRST, shells with more explosives and a larger proximity radius is just a sidegrade. Very interesting.
I must be the only soviet player that doesn’t think everything we have is mediocre. Or im just honest.
This difference is more than shown with a full BR between them. Not only that, 9.3 Stinger slinger isn’t barebones like Strela is, it has a gun and thermals as well.
Then say so as well.
If Strela moves, most of the Stinger slingers should move in the same direction as well, regardless if that change is up or down.
9040C has a radar and 2S38 has IRT, there’s no search function, while the 9040C can also use IRT if it’s needed.
But 2S38 is in fact a mediocre AA at 10.3. HE-VT is good for afk planes and helicopters but that’s about it. M247 at 9.0 would give you better AA capabilities than that wonder vehicle you’re praising so much.