Honestly, same. The WS-15 (I think that’s the name) is likely going to be on a later variant, one thing I fear though is finding sources for said engine, could be a J-15 situation all over.
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yep
maybe with Su-57M2 and F-22 MLU
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It probably depends on which F-22 variant would be added, the one with no modifications, such as HMD or the one with the all the tech upgrade it is getting (With all upgrade it should be at same level with F-35 in terms of technology).
If the older one is added, Then maybe F-35 would be far better however if the modern one is added then F-22 will probably be far better then F-35 in terms of A2A (In A2G F-35 would be better regardless whatever variant of F-22 is added)
Cannot compare radar however F-22 would also be getting IRST
Yes, the first F-22 which would be added might just be the old one with them adding upgraded F-22 later
Depends if the beast mode actually exist or not, But for now F-22 can can carry more missiles, 6 AMRAAMS and two 9X in IWB and F-35 can only carry 4 AMRAAMS internally and 2 9X externally (though i have heard that F-35 is being upgraded to carry 6 AMRAAMS internally). Besides this varients like F-35C/B would also have to carry external gun pod as they don’t have internal gun pod
Have they done any major upgrade which makes their F-35 more advanced then American F-35?
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Because of the PL-15? PL-15 will seem to be an PL-12A but 4kg lighter (210kg), slightly reduced drag similar to how AIM-120C has a bit reduced drag compared to AIM-120A due to clipped fins, similar thrust to PL-12A, but worse maneuverability than PL-12A if we’re going to go off of the most likely modeling from Gaijin. Dual pulse motor as well, but it will not have much better time-to-target at medium ranges than PL-12A it seems.
So PL-15 should be a slight improvement over the PL-12A over every aspect but I would still regard it in the same realm as the AIM-120D-3 (going off of Gaijin’s likely modeling, not its irl performance).
“beast mode” has been confirmed (at least for Israel)
I assume meteors will be put in other nations F35s
The F-35I will have some upgrades, and can use Israel based sensors unlike other nations.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/israels-f-35i-adir-fighter-jets-just-got-big-range-upgrade-ps-021826
On the F-22 topic they’ll put in the older non HMD version. There are AN/APG 77 variants so I also assume they’ll use the initial one with some slower scan rate or whatever.
I doubt it will be getting IRST if it isn’t modernized and integrated yet.
people keep saying this, but it was tested with HMD early in its service too
which means it should have it in game even as an early version
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I agree yes it should have it but in my heart I think gaijin will use it as a nerf to begin with. Might add it later but not initially. Premium F-22 (early) with 0 HMD then later on F-22 with HMD.
The dogfighting potential of the F22 w/ thrust vectoring will have it nerfed off the bat.
Any source for this? Like anything prior to its integration of AIM-9X?
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Highly doubt it finishes testing/integration by the time F-35s are added and I doubt they’d be given to them at all even for GB. Best you can hope for is AIM-120D-3
no, the earliest Scorpion HMD F-22 pictures i know of are from 2014, which was before the first guided 9X launch from a Raptor but after early integration work
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Yeah, then an early raptor wouldn’t have F-22 with HMD, probably just AIM-9M and no HMD.
F-22A Early will be a crazy GE moment. Cba to grind what I think will be ~440K RP xD Gimme funny stealth murica plane now
No HMD, AIM-9M, AIM-120B/C-5/D-1, a couple of JDAMs and goated flight performance? I can hear my CC leaving my purse.
F-22A Late will be where the fun is an update (or so) later: HMD + AIM-9X intensifies
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This is all cope and Gaijin could just mish mash everything into one after enough people complain
But would it be worth it? You would be sacrificing one of the biggest advantage (which would be stealth) to carry extra 8 missile. This would also probably slow you down (Unless the pylons can be jettisoned, but even then you would be revealing your position at the start of the match)
Technically one could argue for addition of meteor to American F-35 as well. Even then, only inert meteor has been tested. No meteor has been fired from F-35 (IIRC) so chance of gaijin adding them is very low and by the time it is tested/integrated i think AIM-260 would also enter service
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I do not think either the A or C should get Meteor at this time, but all the Bs… maybe, which would include the US F-35B, but mostly to ensure that the UK’s only 5th gen isnt defacto the weakest because they denied its IRL weapons.
(Though at the rate the US is dragging their feet, Meteors replacement will be in service before meteor is intergrated, but Meteor MLU hopefully wont need much in the way of re-intergration)
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Tbh I hope only the brits get it
It would make no sense to give meteor to USA
if they added IIR missiles, which they kind of have to for the other gen 5’s, then wed probably get an HMD+9X F-22
just like it made no sense to add the F/A-18 to the UK? or F-16 to France?
the US has more justification to have Meteor on at least its F-35B’s than any of the countries i mentioned have for those vehicles. take a long hard look at the F-35 in the Meteor testing pictures
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✨sub tree✨
Of course, the alternative was Rafale and Su-30MKI for GB which I’m sure one of the two might come in the future.
But srsly, there’s no other jets that aren’t American or a mix of multiple nations (India) that wouldn’t upset someone so there’s really no reason to be mad at people having basic versions (with some variance in weapon choices) of another nation’s jet.
Any? xD
Would be weird for the country who had it first to not “have more justification” to have it on their F-35B.
“Yeah but America tested it on their F-35” and then you remember literally every F-35 barring Israeli ones are 1:1 copies of the American F-35s so that really wouldn’t fly… Because if it were U.K. testing Meteors on their own, people would then make the argument “well, they’re all the same so really all F-35s can use Meteor”.
See how that’s problematic?
the US always get leeched off of by parasite nations, what about US players who are sick of seeing almost all our stuff get spammed everywhere? subtree doesnt mean they have to add all that stuff, you admit it yourself with the Su-30 and Rafale example, there was literally no point to add the F/A-18’s to the UK (which they dont have a subtree to “justify”) besides like a .3 BR gap that didnt even matter.
so should we get AIM-120’s on our F-4’s since we had the AMRAAM before anyone else?
thats a completely valid point, US F-35’s have carried it, no one else has and the updates to carry Meteor havent even been sent globally if integration work isnt done, end of discussion
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…because nations are heavily incentivised (read: forced) to buy American irl? This isn’t new information lol
Yes, the GB air tech tree is one of the few whose sub tree lines aren’t as defined as others (like France or Sweden), and for the most part sub tree additions are usually for filling in gaps because Harrier → F-35B wouldn’t make sense, something has to go in between.
That’s more of a balancing thing and AMRAAM with F-4 radar or airframe wouldn’t be a nice experience, but in the future that could be a thing so you never know
So you’d be okay if everyone else had AIM-260 on their F-35? Despite the nation never having ordered or even shown interest in ordering it at all?
Like 0 paper trail or whatever towards any possible AIM-260 acquisition?
This is one of the more touchier subjects regarding cross-nation C&P with munitions. Gaijin is already testing limits with the whole Malaysian Su-30 carrying Kh-38s, this will definitely upset quite a few people either way
you understand the exact same thing is going to happen to the US with the AV-8B+ and F-35B but no one is whining about that because it doesn’t really matter that much for the US or UK.
that still doesnt justify the F/A-18 getting copy pasted to so many nations. did you know that not one of the actual tech trees in game operates the Hornet except for the US? the same thing has happened with the F-111C, there isnt even a subtree and there wasnt a gap since they had the Tornado GR1 at the exact same BR, yet they still added it to the UK.
im talking about the F-4F ICE
what? no other nation is doing the integration work for those so how is it comparable to what the US is doing with Meteor on its own F-35’s
so US stuff can get spammed everywhere to nations that never even operated it for years on end, and we are in the wrong for complaining about it, but one missile that only the US has tested on the F-35 shouldnt be added to the US because people might get upset about it?
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