What actual tank could France get as a squadron vehicle? (poll)

[SiberianSnakeSIB]

Basically, title.
There were topics of them getting Algerian or Syrian stuff but people, including me, refuse to accept that France should get another Russian copypaste. Having a Dutch IFV, which is a copy of Danish/Swedish one and is essentially just a regular autocannon on tracks, is really boring too. People like it for their setup, but that’s it, it’s really not special like squadron vehicles used to be.

I think the best idea would be UAE’s Leclerc Tropicalisé, though some people oppose it as it’s “equal to top tier French tanks” which, in my opinion, can be fixed by not just giving it a top tier shell. Nonetheless, some squadron tanks already have shells with specifications equal to that of other nations’ top tier tanks (M1A1’s KE-W vs. anything Russian, British or Chinese). From what I can find, the tropicalized Leclerc had different engine, something rather German than French, however, redesigned to make it more suitable and not as easy for detection, for Leclerc, regarding gameplay. Also some air conditioning but we don’t care about that, for now. Source: Leclerc «Тропик»/Leclerc Tropicalisé - Корзина - War Thunder — официальный форум

Another option is more boring, but nonetheless, a tank - Spanish AMX 30E, featuring 850 h.p. engine, coax 12.7mm machine gun instead of 20mm autocannon and commander’s 7.92 MG1A3, which is normal MG42, bigger side skirts, smoke generation system connected within the engine (like on Russian tanks, I suppose), fire control system and Spanish APFSDS shells designated as CETME437A. In general, sounds very similar to AMX 30 Super, lacking the stabilizer but having engine smoke generator. Source: AMX-30E - Wikipedia

If you have any other ideas for French squadron vehicle, I’d like you to suggest one in comments. For now, I’ll make a poll.

Squadron tank option for France?

• Leclerc Tropicalisé
• AMX 30E
• Your option in comments (I’ll add it here)

Actually I couldn’t edit the poll after first 5 minutes but I think another great options are Franco-Russian AMX 10RC KBCM and Belgian Leopard 1A5BE Cockerill 3105 mod.2024

[PlayedStatue626-live]

Both are fine options (should neither get a full tree/subtree) but I couldn’t decide

Would this be an ok squadron vehicle?

AMX 10C. Between AMX 10RC and AMX 10P

poll caid’s suggestion #102 [image] I would like to suggest an interesting tank for the French, the AMX 10C [image] The AMX 10C was a French light tank that was a mid-way design between the AMX 10P and AMX 10RC. the tank was taking comportment of both vehicles and retaining the part that was shared by them. the chassis was completely new but retained the suspension and track of the AMX 10P and the turret was the one of the AMX 10RC. the tank wa…

[ChieftainWarrior]

I think I’d rather see one of the Leclerc pre-series vehicles:

The AMX-30Es should be reserved for a future Spanish tree/sub-tree.

[SiberianSnakeSIB]

I still don’t understand the differences between Leclerc Pre-Serie and Serie 1. Though after this update, MSC is really confusing too, right now it seems to have better hull armor than S1 and S2/AZUR, somehow?

anyway, I think Tropic still fits more, as visually criterias are either copypaste of domestic vehicles serving in other country (Abrams AIM, Leo2PL, thus being Leclerc T. or AMX 30E), or odd domestic designs (BMP-2M, 122-1 and T-80UK, thus being AMX 10RC Shtora-1 or AMX 10C), then there is just stupid copypaste from other nations (CV9035 in France and T 80 U in Sweden). I think average prototypes of serial vehicles fit event vehicles or tech tree more, but there is already 5 TT Leclercs and with more updates we may have Leclerc XLR as top tier tank soon.

[SiberianSnakeSIB]

To be honest, it gives me another idea:

AMX 10RC with Shtora soft kill APS

[Beeschurger]

@ChieftainWarrior

The AMX-30Es should be reserved for a future Spanish tree/sub-tree.

[An_Pigeon]

AMX 30C2

done

[An_Pigeon]

@ChieftainWarrior

The AMX-30Es should be reserved for a future Spanish tree/sub-tree.

Definitely!!!
But we wont get that at all

[An_Pigeon]

@SiberianSnakeSIB

I still don’t understand the differences between Leclerc Pre-Serie and Serie 1. Though after this update, MSC is really confusing too, right now it seems to have better hull armor than S1 and S2/AZUR, somehow?

Cause the leclercs armour is modelled wrong…

@SiberianSnakeSIB

CV9035 in France and T 80 U in Sweden)

leopard 2 in france xD

[SiberianSnakeSIB]

I think this should also go to tech tree. Have merci on tech tree suffering without stabilizers until… AMX 32 or 40 I constantly forget…

[ChieftainWarrior]

At least let me dream :(

[SiberianSnakeSIB]

@ChieftainWarrior

The AMX-30Es should be reserved for a future Spanish tree/sub-tree.

About that.
Why making other trees and subtrees copypaste when they can consist of actual domestic designs or something that wasn’t domestic but still isn’t added to the game, while France could have their own design with slight modifications as a squadron vehicle? Say, Verdeja tanks and their own wheeled vehicles

I’m not saying gaijin already hasn’t done a sin by making disgusting Finnish and Hungarian subtrees - I’m not them, I’d be happy if we had 44M Tas and more Toldis, or something obscure but I suppose not entirely real like T-72FINMOD, instead of poopers like T-72M1 and Leo2A4 and other German-Soviet copypaste, with little to no differences at all.

[PlayedStatue626-live]

I’m really hoping Spain gets a subtree or part of an Iberian tree, but gajin decided to make Spain join the group of operator countries that have vehicles split amongst different trees (Like Poland, Australia and Canada).

[PlayedStatue626-live]

Tbh I’d honestly prefer if Spain replaced Hungary so it and Romania could get a larger focus and then Hungary could’ve went to a V4 tree.

But here we are

[Beeschurger]

@SiberianSnakeSIB

Why making other trees and subtrees copypaste when they can consist of actual domestic designs or something that wasn’t domestic but still isn’t added to the game, while France could have their own design with slight modifications as a squadron vehicle?

Because there arent any countries left that could form entire TT on their own with only domestic designs.

There would be massive gaps in capability and no chance of making proper lineups.

On top of that imagine country being added but some vehicle they used en masse gets added as squadron to some other TT with justification being “lets avoid copypaste”

[Mitchverr]

Depends what you mean by “actual tank” I would say.

The Belgian Ratel 90 like vehicle, aka SIBMAS AFSV-90

I very much enjoy the Ratel 90 in the UK TT and this is a similar but Belgian built vehicle with a much higher power to weight ratio. While yes, “based” on the Buffel prototype and its documentation, it is in fact a different vehicle to the Ratel family but their similar origins lead to a lot of claims of being a licensed copy.

There are several sub-versions of the vehicle which could make fun TT additions also including an SPAA version with a H.20 turret and a C25 version.

Would keep the French interesting vehicles within the TT itself, while also allowing the Belgians to provide interesting supporting assets to the main tree.

[SiberianSnakeSIB]

Making copypaste trees shouldn’t be a solution… either having subtrees, but more proper - just domestic designs in subtrees, or making separate trees with “unlock” system similar to Israel, for every rank and in certain economical/cultural/political connection with existing nations. But grinding through tiers and tiers of Vickers tanks, Shermans and T-34s over and over again to get what, Portuguese, Spanish, Turkish, Belgian and many other vehicles is not the best idea. Let them have Verdejas, Osorios, CATIs and deep-modded M60s as unlockables, or just put them in more suitable trees as event/squadron vehicles, like who made the most for the tank, whether it was full design, or turret, or at least weaponry, FCS and engines.

I’m not undervaluing the user made trees - I love their informativity, but realization with using so many lend-lease stuff when it used to be only as premiums/war trophies before (USSR and Germany case) is not so good. Gaijin is going their way though

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[SiberianSnakeSIB]

YOU JUST MADE ME REMEMBER THIS BRILLIANT OPTION TOO

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[ChieftainWarrior]

@SiberianSnakeSIB

About that.
Why making other trees and subtrees copypaste when they can consist of actual domestic designs or something that wasn’t domestic but still isn’t added to the game, while France could have their own design with slight modifications as a squadron vehicle? Say, Verdeja tanks and their own wheeled vehicles

Because the AMX-30Es were all domestically-built, and the ER1, EM2 and the prototypes before them were domestically designed upgrades, with some assistance from US and German companies. The SABBLIR ERA trialled on the EM2 was a domestic design, as were the APFSDS rounds used by them. Very little remained French. If a Spanish tree comes to the game, in whatever form, the AMX-30Es are vital tanks for it. Can’t just not add them if you add Spain.

I’ve also just remembered that the AMX-30V and AMX-30VE, both stabilised, might be better. I’d, again, still rather prefer them in a different tree (LatAm), but the French tree is the next best option.

[Mitchverr]

Yeah, I would rather stick to the Belgians doing the squadron stuff for the French like that too. Is a cool tank.

Not a fan of how squadron vehicles work, especially their costing side of things (if gaijin let us 50% off them for GE during holidays that would be nice) but it would help to limit out the more boring copy-paste vehicles and also allow Belgium a wedge in which isnt copy-paste akin to the Dutch xD

Though I will say be careful of going too hard vs copy-paste, pretty much all the main use vehicles of Belgium were copies, like the CVRT fleet.