Remove scouting from the game full stop.
If this is to extreme nerf it like this.
Because these nerfs are quite severe, light tanks should get back there separate spawn cost to compensate.
Ya I despise scouting as a mechanic, its really dumb to have in a realistic game, same with name tags in ARB.I can tell when im scouted, either I just die to CAS or the entire enemy team seems to have wall hacks and im absolutely pinned down.
Just had a match where I got scouted at this red X, and then my first peek at the red circle resulted in 3 different players taking a shot at me, lost my breach, and at that point it was a 3 minute adventure of not being able to do anything but doubling back to my spawn and replaying the start of the match to try and get somewhere, because when you get scouted you don’t just get scouted once, you are scouted usually the entire time because all a light tank has to do is see when it drops and then reapply it. Ended up staying there just being cucked the entire time till I died to CAS. Real fun stuff.
Same thing if I took a more aggressive path, they would have been able to follow my movements into a village there and the same thing would play out. I hate scouting so much its unreal gamers.
Scouting at least needs to break on LOS and for sure not be visible to CAS. I guarantee you like over half the times you die to CAS its because you were scouted.
What light tanks past like 4.0 have trouble at the BR they are at without having access to scouting/airstrike/drones? And drones in the right hands are absolutely OP the new scouting situation aside. Don’t know if its safe to push a cap or a position? Just pop your drone and in 10 seconds know if it is or not and exactly where everyone around you is. The amount of situational awareness you have in lights after 8.0? is just disgusting compared to everything else.
And another game after posting this.
I killed a wolfpack in the alley on my way out of spawn and moved here. Let me repeat “I killed a wolfpack” what does it mean when you kill a light tank 90% of the time? Ya you got scouted. So any aggression for the next 30 seconds is usually suicide. See the guy circled? Most players would probably try to engage him, its early in the match, you moved from where you shot last, but 99.99999% chance sure hes just staring at me behind cover so I don’t even bother moving from behind this building for the next minute or so.
I also got 2 of the most free kills of my life this match because some guy on our team is scouting with a drone. So its not like im just angry im getting killed because im scouted, im benefiting from it too. Its just a very lame mechanic.
It’s cool to just scount everybody through walls and mountaints thanks to drone.
The worst thing is you didn’t even do anything wrong. The tank that saw you not being the wrong type of tank (light tank) would have been enough for you to succeed. This is just like gambling.
The problem is that Gaijin just copied the mechanic from World of Tanks but with key differences:
In WoT you will get notified when getting spotted. That’s not the case in WT.
In WoT you can actually get rid of the scout by moving into cover.
In WoT being scouted is not a drastic as in WT since the default in WT RB is not being scouted at all. The playstyle in WT actually relies on not being seen, the one in WoT not as much.
In WoT light tanks can actually have difficulties in one on ones, often times being not even able to penetrate the enemy at all. In War Thunder all the types of tanks are way more similar, it doesn’t make sense to pick one specific type of tank and give them such a powerful mechanic.
So not only is scouting more powerful in WT, WT is just too different for scouting to make sense there.
You didn’t mention that Keen Vision is linked to it, and that your rendering is locked whilst scouted.
You shouldn’t derender when you are scouted.
My honest opinion:
Just make their location known ONCE and not track them
Reason: The radio guy can’t possibly rage tell people where the enemy is going; meaning that the radio guy can only say one set of co-ords so it gets spotted but the marker doesn’t move.
Give all radio-equipped tanks scouting
Reason: Why the hell does Gaijin think Heavies and Mediums don’t have radio guys that CAN tell co-ords?
CAS reduction should be marginal
Reason: do we really need more YOLO rushers going B point and getting 2 scouts and die to spawn A-10’s coming after y’all?
To be honest, even the ping used in Squadrons would work. Clicking the map while having to fight is troublesome but if you could ping a tank/coordinate to the whole team, not only the squad, it’d be much better. Also, at least people wouldn’t have to look at the map (although they don’t now) and would have the info in front of them.
Agreed but I mean that’s basically what pinging on the minimap does. Just remove scouting entirely, why not?
I think it could be very annoying when people just spam it. Also would I prefer the little bit of extra difficulty that comes with having to work with the minimap.
