We Need To Talk About Scouting

2s38* :)

What ?

Would you not say the 2s38 is a very good tank?

At it’s BR is fine.

Yes but it’s definitely not inferior and in need of a hero shooter mechanic.

It’s fine with having scout ability.
The thing that needs changes is the scout ability itself.

IMO, comparing premium vehicles with main TT vehicles often results in bad math.

Plus coughitsrussiancough

I mean it doesn’t have to be premium. My point is that you cannot generally say that light tanks are worse.


IMO scouting should either get nerfed into the ground or be removed. Both solutions are effectively the same.
But way too many vehicles have scouting. For the longest time scouting was like a counter mechanic to hullbreak from which light tanks suffered but today a lot of LTs, especially from 8.0 - 10.0, are essentially just MBTs with scouting on top.

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Yeah, it should definitely be nerfed a lot.
It’s basically a legit WH that’s absolutely broken for full squads.

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You chose a premium and it happens to be OP compared to other vehicles at that BR.

Let’s look at the opposite. The Type 87 RCV (P) is quite weak. Sure it has STAB, but the 20mm cannon has terrible pen. It has weak armor and poor reverse. Sure it can “theoretically” go 100km/hr, but unless it’s on a flat road it will never get close to that.

Tanks like that need scouting.

It really hurst the gameplay. It makes people camp more since oftentimes the only thing you can do against scouting is to sit it out.

Ambushes, flanking maneuvers or infiltrating the enemy team becomes more of a gamble since success is determined by whether an enemy light tank happens to see you or not.

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I understand your point. At first I think it is important to note that not all light tanks are equal, as you pointed out. (One reason why giving an entire class a mechanic to “balance” it is stupid").

But I would go as far to say that even a Type 87 doesn’t need scouting. It is an extremely situational vehicle; yes - it is very bad against armor but it trades that disadvantage for being very deadly against anything without armor.
I don’t know how good it is but even tanks like that can be balanced with the BR systems, I believe.

But I can’t really speak on the Type 87 specifically because I don’t have it. The closest thing to it that I have is the Xm800 and I must say, it deserves being without a chance against armor because of how much of a rat tank it is against anything without enough armor. I’d say that’s just an extreme trade-off.

I’m trying to spade it and it seems really bad.
haven’t used it against players yet, but it’s gotta be one of the worst I’ve used in assault.

The XM being tracked makes a huge difference on mobility.
And the difference in reverse speed is night-and-day.
Lot of other differences that the XM has advantages in.