The SAP-HEI Was designed for the L/60 (Lvakan m/36) And the L/70 (Lvakan m/48) Could fire L/60 ammunition although this required changing out alot of components to re-fit the L/70 (Lvakan 48) to take the Shorter rounds of the L/60 (Lvakan m/48) And couldn’t be done on a whim.
SPAA is a role within war thunder and shooting down aircraft rewards you and your team in the long-run. And its highly unlikely that the Dev’s will implement A-historical ammo (for these vehicles atleast.)
However there are records of the L/60 (Lvakan m/36) having APDS used on the Luftvärnskanonvagn fm/43 Although. That is not in-game yet.
If we keep going this route, the spawn cost of SPAA needs to be raised, or have the same system as planes and helicopters; higher SP cost for spawning with anti-armor ammo.
Interesting, thank you for the info. I was thinking that the rounds with modified longer cartridges and more propellant existed for L/70 Bofors guns.
We can’t selectively apply history when none of the actual gameplay is remotely according to historical doctrine, let alone usage.
Sounds like enough justification to give it to all 40mm L/60 Bofors in my mind. I don’t think we have that specific SPAAG - we have the Lvkv 42 with its single L/70 and the L-62 ANTI II.
A 42-round clip before reloading? Oh hell…
Yes it would be fun, because current WT gameplay forces SPAAGs to be TDs if they want to get to and survive being at the areas of the map where planes congregate, especially in non-radar tiers.
What’s 20mm DM43 and 20mm DM63? I’ve heard of FAPDS - lower pen but a lot more shrapnel upon impact.
SP costs of course should go up - but I think BRs should probably not for many of them and even go down for some. Partly to force-feed tankbusting SPAAG to the whiners who got them nerfed to their current state until they cry themselves to sleep, grow a set, and actually go kill them instead of complain. And partly because with current standards for setting their BRs, most would cease to be effective at swatting planes due to the whine-overreaction to them.
Why do you hate people who don’t want SPAAs to be more effective at destroying tanks than actual tanks? And why are you whining so much about effective tank destroyers being moved up in BR?
I’ll take an example of what this proposal feels like. Imagine an SPAA 2S38 but without APFSDS, at 9.0 because that’s where it would go. Under your proposal it would gain APFSDS, becoming equivalent to a 10.3/10.7 tank at 9.0 because it’s balanced off of it’s SPAA capability. Would that be balanced, fair, and fun?
Why should we not weight the ability of a vehicle to destroy tanks in a mode where you primarily destroy tanks?
It doesn’t.
God forbid people take issue with vehicles that are too effective at their BR.
Not true. People think they are OP because they have better reaction time, and they kill you instantly without any chance to fight back.
I strongly dislike anyone who would rather “whine first and adapt never” to any “problem” they have. I have seen too many vehicles or vehicle classes be butchered to service the laziness of such folk and such things never recovered in many cases. Or if they started to, more nerfs often promoted by the same people - it’s pretty damn clear such folk will never stop complaining and only find new targets. Because god forbid they realize they made a mistake and it was their fault they died…
Because while I very much like using autocannon SPAAGs to swat the swarms of light tanks infesting the game mode, they do still have to swat planes, and if their BRs move up too much, they no longer can effectively, like happened with the Falcon.
Funny - I was using the 2S38 as a perfect example of the ideal way to balance an SPAAG as “TD first.” Some say it’s undertiered and always compare it to the Begleitpanzer, but I’d suggest the latter is overtiered instead.
The light tank IFV swarms must burn.
It makes no difference to me whether my own tanks die in one side shot from an actual tank cannon or 10-40 side shots from an IFV/SPAAG - am I not dead either way?
Not as heavily. I didn’t say not at all.
Some people complain too much and need to be dealt with instead of continuing to be allowed to ruin the entire game because they refuse to adapt their tactics and/or vehicle usage.
And how is that any different than taking a single (APHE) shot to an ammo rack and exploding to a guy you didn’t know was there? You also have no chance to fight back there either, yet people accept that as “normal.”
I see it as blatantly hypocritical to single out SPAAG but not call out autocannon IFVs nor damn near every other tank hitting ammo racks.
Because they still need to be decent at killing planes, which is part of their job in WT. Unfortunately WT’s current gameplay means SPAA TD mode is their primary job outside SAM tier.
