War Thunder "Firebirds" - Changelog

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Was the Strv 122A and Strv 121B missed? They also use the GALIX smoke system.

It’s not enough. You would need to combine like half of remaining European nations in order to get anything that won’t need to be later on patched with metric tones of soviet copypaste

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Don’t be ridiculous, China has a plethora of unique vehicles which could be added for the low tiers but Gaijin refuses to add them and instead goes down the cheap way of introducing already existing vehicles in-game.

And to compare China to Israel is out of this world, one mass produces unique vehicles and the other relies on the United States and other Western nations in order to produce vehicles themselves.

Instead we should be pushing Gaijin to introduce more unique vehicles instead of advocating for the erasure of entire batches of tech trees.

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Even if they have bunch of unique stuff, it’s not enough to replace literally everything they have below rank V. Besides SPAAs and those PT like lights they have not even a single unique vehicle below rank V as of now. Just remove those ranks and this tree will be so much better.

Or at the very least while adding new unique stuff, keep removing the copypaste until it is at least somewhat interesting. I doubt they have enough vehicles to do that though

I will be back just let me pull out my pie charts.

There are actually quite a lot of unique vehicles that could be added in low ranks. The amount of copy and paste is solely due to Gaijin.

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And that means absolutely nish, Britain has a bunch of lend lease vehicles and throughout my entire time of playing War Thunder have I never seen anyone complaining and calling it C&P.

There is a difference between having a bunch of copypaste vehicles and having entire 4 ranks of your tree copypasted. Don’t pretend this issue doesn’t exist

Add whatever you want, 80% of Ranks I-IV are still Shermans, T-34s, PT-76s, Chi-Has, Stuarts, Chaffees, Hellcats, Wolverines, Jacksons, IS-2s, SUs and ISUs which are already present on U.S, Russia and Japan.

Chi-Ha, Chi-Ha Kai, M24, M3A3, M5A1, M10, M18, M24, M36, SU-100, ISU-122, ISU-152, T-34 (1943), T-34-85, T-34-85 Gai, IS-2, IS-2 (1944)…

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Don’t be ignorant, I quite literally stated that the C&P issue is caused by Gaijin and their negligence and by me calling this out basically affirms my acknowledgement of this - reread my message again brother.

While looking through that, vast majority of suggested vehicles in that thread would qualify for rank V and above. There are hardly any actual Chinese domestic vehicles that could be placed below rank V there.

Sure there was some Chi-ha, LVTs and other stuff like that, but these aren’t chinese vehicles, they were just operated by them

The way they do it now. We’ll just end up with a stack of TTs containing pretty much the same vehicles. What’s the fun in that?

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This is a pie chart for my Visegrad tech tree btw, it includes Hungary as well
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If they actually find enough vehicles in order to remove copypaste step by step, sure they can keep lower ranks. But i just doubt there is enough vehicles to do that.

Either way, this copypaste should be removed. Either as removal of entire Ranks from tree, or as step by step removal of copypaste vehicles and replacing them with domestic stuff

I think it’s more insane to remove a entire region of a tech tree because you think it’s C&P, we’ve had issues in the past with removal of tech tree vehicles and this being due to newer players being unable to get them after removal and by doing this you’d be making the issue worse ten fold.

Instead, you could also combine those braincells of yours to use and maybe introduce new and unique vehicles which have been suggested before, this would avoid the issue of removal whilst keeping low tier semi-unique like the British tech tree.

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I get copy-paste is sometimes necessary to fill gaps, and I don’t mind the occassional copy-pastes of vehicles a nation operated when it’s necessary and/or adds to a nation by contributing to its lineups… but when +80% of 4x whole Ranks is copy-paste, well… I just don’t think it’s worth it, hahah.

So, for the 3rd time today I’m in a match where only the bombers on each side can spawn. This time one side has 4 bombers while the other has 8, and the remaining 20 players only get to watch. Anybody else has a similar experience?

It’s not how it works. Previous removals were problematic because vehicles being removed were unique. You can’t get access to them in any other tree, so they are permanently locked from new players. You don’t lose anything by not being able to play a chinese sherman, while you can research one in any other nation.

I would agree if there was anything unique being removed, but there isn’t.

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You may notice that many low-rank suggestion vehicles for China are named after foreign vehicles, but are actually unique to China, or modified by Chinese army. Looking over the list quickly is only inviting to prejudice and confirmation bias.

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Why is enemy markers detection not shared among teammates in Air Realistic battle? I scrolled through the entire changelog details and did not find any reference. Is this a bug?

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