I love how this anti cheat system already made some people stop playing this game, so to me it works perfectly… Cant wait to play ground these days, finaly no more “its just a mod” LOL hahahahahahh
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Holy Jesus…
Of course I’m concerned.
My War Thunder account means WAY too much to me. The stakes are too high, I am not feeling relieved at all to see all of these concerns be shrugged off with “just don’t cheat lol” replies from the staff.
The worst part is that there’s even users and players backing this behaviour, claiming that anyone concerned about the possibility of false positives “surely must secretly be cheaters who fear getting caught”.
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Please read this and the comment under it. It scans for DETECTIONS, and IF those were to occur, it will then send it to the server, and use it for training of the AC. This is completely STANDARD across anti-cheats.
Reason for reading the comments is the context. The guy writing it is an ARMA cheat maker. You’ll also find the link to the Valve post, which will provide more context.
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i can link you to official company statements about the source code leak and the hijacked servers if you wish, these did happen
also you brought up the sony hack
i lost £2k over a year due to that and the previously mentioned hijacked MiHoYoAC
it is very safe for me to be concerned over this, even if i do stop playing both EAC and BEAC are now both on my system and both are very difficult to remove (due to the kernel level access and drivers, RATs are always hard to remove without doing a full wipe)
please do your research before commenting and don’t deny things that officially happened, you sound like a troll
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From your link directly,
“BattlEye follows a data minimization policy that ensures that data is only being stored when necessary, i.e. when BattlEye finds information that may potentially indicate the use of cheat software. As a result, BattlEye generally will not store any information on most users.”
" As a data subject and EU citizen, you have the right:
- to access information held about you,
- to have your personal data erased or rectified,
- to restrict the processing of your personal data,
- to object to processing of your personal data,
- to receive personal data about you and transfer it to another data controller, and
- to lodge a complaint with the relevant data protection authority."
@Kan0nenfutter here you go, nothing to worry about!
Please read the Furthermore section of that link as well…
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who watches the watchmen though? should we let 24/7 CCTV and audio recording of our entire lives happen just because some people break the law, after all “innocent citizens have nothing to fear”, ~~FBI and funnily enough, Norseguard (V for Vendetta fascists)
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pretty sure when Genshin came out, everyone and their mother knew that the program was essentially malware.
Personally would never have trusted that game in the slightest, or given any of my banking info.
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Well, I don’t use any mods- only user skins, GeForce Experience, and an old user sight which I can’t seem to get rid of even though I removed it from the files days ago lmao (lots of compatibility issues, it keeps resetting my new sights, and can’t apply the new ingame sights to vehicles using the old custom one unless I do it one by one… May reinstall the whole game because of that).
But still, reading about so many false positive claims and weaknesses used to exploit and create said false positives does indeed scare me. Specially when staff members shrug off all these concerns as if they weren’t a possibility.
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you didn’t need any genshin things installed for it to be malicious, as it was a driver with a verified certificate microsoft made no checks when it was sent to other system as it was verified as being safe
the checks on drivers only happen before they are published, so when it was hijacked windows saw it as a legitimate and safe driver and let it have Kernel level access
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Also 11 years old. As with the 7 year old unamended website and its privacy policy, it would be nice to see something a little more current. Privacy policy has changed.
As one example, most current online privacy and data security now, including Epic/EAC’s, specifically say they will not sell or share your personal information with any third-party. BattlEye’s privacy policy does not make this promise.
Another thing that most policies, including Epic/EACs, say these days is that the company will notify you of any unauthorized disclosure of your personal information. BattlEye’s privacy policy doesn’t say this either.
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I hope that isn’t true, Austrailian/NZ players as well as anyone with poor internet could be screwed. Could I be banned because my Wi-Fi got bad for a minute? Could I be banned if it disconnects? What about server issues that cause high ping?
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A legal reading of that clause would be that you only have those rights if you are a “data subject” of BattleEye AND you are an EU citizen. Players elsewhere in the world would have no legal claim by the policy as written. I agree with you, it’s risk/reward balancing as a player. But there is valid cause for concern there given the issues I’ve identified with BattlEye public statements and it’s not really alarmist for others to say so.
Also in that policy, right below the part you snipped: “In order to exercise your rights in relation to any data processing performed by BattlEye, we advise you to contact the respective publisher of your game. We will not be able to satisfy any such requests directly…” So if you have any concerns about BattlEye in WT you can ONLY complain to Gaijin.
PS: The same policy says details about how much personal data they store and how vary game-by-game and are contained in the “EULA that usually comes with the games we support”. Anyone see that new EULA today? Just curious.
PPS: It’s an open secret BattlEye is cheaper for the game company than EAC, and reasonable to draw any inferences from that you want. But the reason expensive anti-cheat is expensive has a lot to do with what’s involved in preserving personal privacy to a high degree. Not being able to afford a web developer for the last seven years tends to suggest BattleEye doesn’t have the kind of scratch to be competitive there. But again, it is what it is.
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Thats my fear too. From what i have read, it seems battleye is more… lets say strict than EAC.
I think i said this on another post but i’ll repeat myself. I play Path of Exile. There are a lot of LEGAL third party macros there. BE might not like them. It might not like the redragon mouse software I use that bind its buttons to keyboard buttons. I dont know. And when I see people raising concerns identical to mine I see a ‘dont cheat’ in response.
I gave up expectiong proper and professinal communication from gaijin a long time ago. This post and the tk bans post are just another example that they cant do it.
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Leave it to Stona to completely misinterpret the question, and then post some snappy and emotional (but not logical) answer.
We are asking legitimate questions, why do you think that anyone asking questions is a cheater?
It’s almost like you have none of the answers, but just choose to make fun of players.
Setiously, Stona is the least understanding CM ever existing in War Thunder. Similar to infamous bug report manager Trickzzzter in nature, but somehow worse. And I guarantee this comment be deleted in minutes, and me banned for some period of time.
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I mean, here is there most current EULA, I’ll trim out the excess,
****** End-User License Agreement ******
Licensee understands, acknowledges and agrees with the following:
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BattlEye will automatically, without notice to Licensee, download and install updates from time to time.
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BattlEye may scan Licensee’s entire random access memory (RAM), and any game-related and system-related files and folders on Licensee’s system using cheat-program-identifying algorithms, report results of such algorithms to other connected computers and/or to Licensor and store such information for the sole purpose of preventing and detecting the use of cheat programs. BattlEye only scans and/or reports data which absolutely needs to be scanned and/or reported to meet this purpose.
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BattlEye may further report and store Licensee’s Internet Protocol address, game account name and identifier, in-game nickname, and system-related and hardware-related information including, but not limited to, device identifiers and hardware serial numbers.
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Licensor values Licensee’s privacy and does its utmost to protect it at all times. BattlEye does not report any personally identifiable information or personal data except for any information/data specifically mentioned herein.
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Licensor stores all information collected by BattlEye on servers located in Europe and/or the US. Licensor may share the information with its partners and/or affiliates.
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Licensee acknowledges that the invasive nature of BattlEye is necessary to meet its purpose and goal of preventing and detecting cheat programs.
This License Agreement constitutes the entire agreement between Licensor and Licensee and supersedes any prior statements.
this is their most current version, and the last sentance confirms that. This is what we have to go off.
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This was quite bad, too.
Their response to banning over honest, accidental TKs being “just don’t TK lol” while many griefers and intentional TK trolls were left alone…
Anyway… let’s just hope our fears don’t become realities.
My fear isn’t so much about mods or software since I don’t use any beyond GeForce experience (which apparently could also be target for false positives); my biggest fear is about those exploitable weaknesses to arbitrarily create false positives towards targeted players.
This, basically;
The fact that this is a reality is frightening; but even more frightening are the “just don’t cheat lol” responses we’ve only got so far from the staff.
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And you wouldn’t care about that data, as its not sensitive information, please read what they collect.
Yeah, makes complete sense, as Gaijin and Battleye have the agreement, not us Users and Battleye.
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