Oh you think a slow moving heli is harder to shoot down than 2 Su-30s…
Ok
We are talking about the irccm buddy…
And a Su-30 has a MAWS system and superior counter measure suite it is also moving faster a harder target to intercept.
Iirc most su 30s doesnt even have MAWS so your point is also irrelevant, and again in the video of the shoot down there is no countermeasures in sight, so this doesnt tell anything about the irccm. This would be like claiming that the r27t of all things have a better irccm because they have manage to damage an f15 which it has a far superior defensive suit but it was just deploying chaff …
I think you have a fundamental misconception about tracking suspension…
I take the example of the 9L because it has the same FOV (before and after launch) as the 9M.
And tracking suspension only activates when the flare is inside the FoV of the missile. IE, it only activates for the 9M in situations where the 9L would be flared either way. Even if tracking suspension were to work only 1% of the time (it’s way better than that even if not perfect), that would still make the 9M better.
In game, the 9M is obviously better than the 9L (no matter how much you complain about it, that is true). Thus, adding tracking suspension to any missile ends up as a net positive (no matter how small it is).
This is literally proven by how strong IRCCM are on Manpads and IRIS-T right now.
If game wasn’t buggy, i would agree with this. But 9M doesn’t activate IRCCM on anything that isn’t a flare, so, funnily enough, it is often flared easier than 9L if enemy decides to randomly shoot a missile or fire a rocket salvo if it’s an attacker. If this would be tweaked - 9M would instantly become much better than 9L
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su30 does not have maws and they dont have any CMs against IR missiles other than flares.
He might be talking about the Japanese one that gets maws
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Ok, what’s the deal with the R73? I fire it from behind at an afterburning F15 and they manage to flare it instantly. I get an R73 shot at me from behind in my F14 and no matter if I drop afterburner and dump flares, it always tracks. I can launch the r73 from 2km and it gets flared, the enemy can launch at 3km and it stays on me.
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Well you are flying an F-14 which is one of the hottest platforms if in not mistaken
Also the R-73 is kinda slow to accelerate making its IRCCM less effective compared to like the magic 2
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Funny thing is that F-15 is actually pretty horrible when it comes to flaring gatewidth IRCCM due to the dispenser placement
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Yeah thats the one thing i hate about the F-15
i read somewhere that these range values (30km, 40km, 50km) for the r-73 family is ignoring the battery life, but i don’t have a source for that, i think it makes sense because i have no idea how the r-74m could achieve a 40km shot in 20 seconds, unlike the r-74m2 that has 38s the 74m still has 20s of battery life
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i have no idea how the r-74m could achieve a 40km shot in 20 seconds
Because it probably couldn’t without the utmost ideal circumstances, R-74M uses the same motor as R-73 as far as I know, only major differences is the seeker and battery.
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unless you’re firing from a mig-31 at another mig-31 close to their maximum speeds you can’t have a 40km launch connect in 20s, even for the normal r-73 a 30km launch in 20s is only possible in very optimistic conditions
did you see the photo i sent of a su-35 hud showing “74M” and 20s to impact the sun?
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will be used as source to have the missile max speed
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lmao
They are using r73, but also 9m amd 9x, im fairly sure aim9s were confirmed to be involved in one of the shotdowns, also aim9m dont have that poor of maneuverability, especialky considering this is a ground launch.
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is there any visual ways to distinguish between an R-73, R-74M or R-74M2 baed on the missile body or any surfaces on them?
M2 has smaller tail, same height as the control surfaces. It also may not have external AOA sensors (but i am unsure because missile shown on expos are mockups, but on the other hand R-73 and R-74M mockups had AOA sensors on them)
But i don’t think that there is a reliable way to distinguish R-73 and R-74M, because both can come with different fuses