@TheFinalStarman do you have any stat tables for the r24mr like the one I just posted for the r24t/r
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here a german source on it
Translation
- Hz is “Höhe Ziel” (Altitude target),
- Hj is “Höhe Jäger” (Altitude fighter),
- D is “Distanz” (distance)
- delta H is the overal difference in altitude
- Hz is “Höhe Ziel” (Altitude target),
- Hj is “Höhe Jäger” (Altitude fighter),
- delta H is the overal difference in altitude
if you have any more translation questions just ping me
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Is this a different source than the one cutetransrat used in her bug report about the bs modes.
I think the ones she used was in Russian
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bc that german source only was digitalized not too long ago, because of a request @EstrogenKitten made
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maybe i should ping him a 4th time just for fun
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I am too lazy to write another bug report, Gaijin does not care about it and I am sure even if I poured energy into bug reporting it again it would be ignored/disregarded
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Also if you want concrete proof that BS modes work in lookup too, this part is the most important
- Hz is “Höhe Ziel” (Altitude target)
- Hj is “Höhe Jäger” (Altitude fighter)
You can fight about the wordage of “should only be used when” but imo it is really irrelevant because we are playing a game and often, if not 99% of the time things are used in ways that they were never meant to be, so I dont see why gaijin is so damn stuborn about this. Especially since it is never specifically forbidden in the manual
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Can you send the name of document, relevant pages and the cover page in dms? I’ll write up a report on it if you don’t want to. Can’t hurt to try
here’s some more info on p-24m
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No, the only stats I had were the sources I cited. Good to see others have brought them up though.
Edit: I found a secondary source with technical data on the R-24M. I’ve added it to the post.
Source: “Авиация ПВО России и научно-технический прогресс”. 2005 г.
- Mass: 243kg
- Guidance: SARH+IOG
- Band: J
- Shoot down: front-aspect
- Lock Range: 35km
- Launch Range: 50km
- ECCM: Yes
- Maximum speed: 3.5M
- Overload: 26G
- Explosive Type: TGAF-5
- Explosive mass: 13kg
- TNT Equivalent: 20.8kg
- Launch boresight: +/- 55°
- Maximum target speed: 3,000 Km/H
- Maximum target overload: 7G
- Warhead weight: 35kg
- Warhead type: high-explosive expanding rod
- Warhead fuse: radio proximity fuse
- Minimum/Maximum target altitude: 0.04km (40m)/25km (25,000m)
- Minimum/Maximum launch distance, rear-aspect: 0.5km (500m)/19.5km (19,500m)
So, compared to the R-24R:
- Electronic Counter-Countermeasures (ECCM)
- More reliable tracking and maintaining target lock
- Longer lock range (35km vs. 24km)
- Slightly more overload (26G vs 24G)
- Better low-altitude launch and target lock characteristics
- Better launch boresight capabilities
Slightly heavier (243kg vs 237kg)Weighs the same
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Have to get the MiG-23MLDG suggestion going
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It did have all those things, but that information card is incorrect. The only Gardeniya-equipped Flogger built in 1982 was 23-35 - MiG-23MLG 23-37 and MiG-23MLS 23-47 were built in 1984, and 23-57 was built “in the late 1980s”. Frustratingly, it seems both 23-35 and 23-57 were called “MiG-23MLDG” (for some reason). I don’t know why, it’s incredibly confusing to figure out the names of these electronic warfare Floggers. I’ve seen 23-35 and 23-57 be called MLDG or MLGD - one person I read called 23-57 “MiG-23-57”, another source claimed both 23-37 and 23-57 were called MiG-23MLG. The production codes are the only way to tell the difference.
I’ve spent so much time looking at them that I already know what plane that card is next to, it’s 37 Red, which, again, I have seen people call an MLD, MLGD, MLDG, and even an MLG.
Best that I know - this is 23-57 in all her glory. Which is good, because 23-57 would get access to the R-24M and 23-35 wouldn’t - I also suspect, based on other things I’ve read, that 23-35 was built off the MiG-23MLA, not MLD (though the MLD was developed from the MLA anyway). I’ve also never seen any source state 23-35 would get HMS. The book “MiG”: A flight through time” - E.V. Arsenyev, N.O. Valuev, Yu.F. Polushkin (2020) says only 23-57 got it. I think all Gardeniya-equipped Floggers got the improved radar - Sapfir-23MLA-IIM: improved rwr, better jamming resistance, better countermeasure resistance (improved ECCM), better low-altitude performance.
Edit: oh yeah, apparently Sapfir-23D-III onwards (MiG-23MF, MiG-23Ms from 1975 onwards) had TWS
So yeah, the MLD should get MiG-29-type HMS too, since that was how it used the R-73
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We will call it iz.23-57 so there wont be confusion. Also as I see some picture of it, looks like it have canopy without central pole but I cant say for sure because angle of photo and because its broken.
Also I found this picture but idk if it is same red 37.
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That is the same one, it’s older. The photo I posted is from ~2023. That photo is from I think 2002. I’m not sure. She’s been moved around few times over the years, but it’s still the same paint job.
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