Practically all short range missiles was pretty universal like K-5, K-13 and K-60 families. Only medium/long range missiles was specialized in that age.
r13 is not in the game? its a great missile, its like aim-9j
The one in game is R-13M1, not R-13M
I would like to see R-13M together with MiG-23S as best IR missiles for this plane. Practically MiG-23S would be equivalent to F-4C (sim BR 10.7). USSR need more fighters on tier VI/VII.
I’m not sure how true this is but it seems like it would be tracking FoV (ie. post-launch) and not seeking FoV (looking for target). At least from my test in the earlier post ignoring the funky code stuff that seemed to be what happened. The seeker can track outside of the seeking FoV but is still “caged” while on the rail.
At least that’s how it seemed to me.
Isn’t this, or at least something very similar in game on the MiG-27’s?
The M1 model is in game. This was also previously in game, but now removed. Its a good analogue for something inbetween the 9E or 9D. The M1 is 9J analogue.
I currently have a suggestion pending for the MiG-23MS. While it was originally equipped only with R-3S missiles, it was later modified to carry two R-13Ms. This upgrade actually allowed these “monkey models” to score a few confirmed kills. So if it’s ever added to the game, the R-13M would need to be reintroduced to reflect that capability accurately.
From what I read so MiG-23MS was able carry 4x R-13M or 4x R-3R.
https://ruslet.webnode.cz/technika/ruska-technika/letecka-technika/a-i-mikojan-a-m-i-gurjevic/mig-23ms-flogger-e-/
The exact specifications of this jet are quite scarce, and available sources are often inconsistent. Even with my limited understanding of the language, I can already tell that some parts in that source might be inaccurate. It’s definitely challenging to find reliable information on the MiG-23MS. Still, thanks for the source, I’ll add it to the collection when the time comes.
If you’ve read Tom Cooper’s book on the MiG-23, you’ll know that during testing, the R-13M missile’s smoke caused engine issues when launched from the belly hardpoints. As a result, it was only approved for use on the underwing pylons.
I’m not sure if the R-13M1 uses the same propulsion system, but if it does, MiG-23s shouldn’t be allowed to launch it from the belly either. That said, for in-game purposes, allowing it to carry four is ultimately up to Gaijin.
There’s also debate over whether the MiG-23MS could use R-3Rs. Tom Cooper suggests it could, at least in tail-chase engagements. However, the radar was a downgrade compared to that of the MiG-21S, and as far as my research goes, there are no available photos of the MiG-23MS equipped with R-3Rs.
I’d argue that for balancing reason it should get only 2 R-13Ms and be at 9.3/9.7. Alongside the MiG-23BN.
Yeah I know about smoke issue. But thats was problem with R-23 missiles. Thats why it got only two. Hovewer there was prototype (iz. 23-11/2) with 4x R-23.
Zhrnutie
Of course Ruslet have many inaccuraties but its great for basic overview. Ideally if we have some manuals or pictures. I think I had some with 4x R-3R.
I found some images but not with 4x R-3R. R-13M on upper pylons and R-3R on lower pylons. But not 100% sure if its MiG-23MS.
Zhrnutie
it’s not, you can tell by the nose. MiG-23MS was meant for export only. They came in their standardized desert camouflage even those that were left in the USSR. What you have on the pictures is a very early MiG-23.
Maybe it would be better variant to add.
Why not both?
What you sent me I believe is a Ye-231. It has a unique shape and has not been suggested yet. Feel free to do it.
Unlike the Ye-231 however, the MiG-23MS has an extensive operational history.
I am not sure if its not MiG-23S. We should get this variants as this variant is not export one as MS.
https://ruslet.webnode.cz/technika/ruska-technika/letecka-technika/a-i-mikojan-a-m-i-gurjevic/mig-23s-flogger-a-2/
Yes, but it is yet another suggestion. It is its own separate aircraft, that had a horrible service history plagued by mechanical problems. Unlike the S, MiG-23MS has a body of a MiG-23M with the weapons systems of a MiG-23S. Besides, there is also evidence of MiG-23MS specifically remaining in Soviet service for training purposes as it has the largest internal volume of fuel out of any MiG-23. MiG-23MS is simply as iconic as all the other MiG-23s in game and it hasn’t been added yet. All these other aircraft were rarely seen or did not do all that well, while the MS is still flying somewhere. Besides, these other aircraft did not carry R-13M. And that’s what this post is about.
If it could use R-3R it would be limited to the same engagement profiles as the MiG-21S, as it had the same radar set.
like to see this and the further development version the r14. shame they never got modernised with all aspect seekers