Vympel R-13M - The Initial Step Forward

Yeah, my MiG-23MS suggestion is now live. You should take a look. If it is given R-13Ms it’ll have better armament than the MiG-21S, but will loose in canon dogfights to a lot of jets. On the other hand, its air to ground payload will be better than that of the MiG-21S.

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Now is question where it will come when it will come. Maybe as event as it is export variant and 23S as variant in TT. MiG-23S would be nice counterpart for F-4C. Less missiles but better ones.

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This is actually a smart idea to implement the S and the MS. I never imagined the MS in the Tech-Tree. However, considering they are plus minus the same I think it would be better to introduce Ye-231 into the tech-tree instead of the S. As the Ye-231 has a distinctive shape and never came with R-13Ms as far as my knowledge goes.

MiG-23S have ± same shape as Ye-231 and have ability to fire Kh-23/66 AGM:
https://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig23s.html

Zhrnutie

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And it can get S-5P or S-8P chaffs for UB-32 / B-8M launchers…I dont think that those chaffs was exported to third countries.

From a distance yes, but on the schematics no. Ye-231 comes with a different exhaust and a different elongated nose among other features.

Visually, the MiG-23S exhaust is closer to the Ye-231 than the MiG-23MS.

Zhrnutie

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Yup, so each one is its own separate suggestion. Up to Gaijin to pick and choose.

Yep. I think that both should be added. MiG-23S and also MiG-23MS where MiG-23MS should be event plane as it is practically downgraded export MiG-23M with worse avionics and missile armament. MiG-23S is much more unique as it have different shape, weaker engine, extended armament for Kh-23/66 and potential ability to use S-5P/S-8P chaffs. Ideal for tech tree as counterpart for F-4C and its serial produced machine with 59 produced planes + 1 prototype.

2nd event vehicle to rank VII after Su-25BM ?

Flag USSR only on stat card & tech tree. and default soviet air force camouflage

MiG-23S Flogger-A battle rating for Air RB same F-4C Phantom II ?

But, battle rating for Air AB & SB at 10.0 or 10.3 ?

2nd event vehicle to rank VII after Su-25BM ?

Its more tier VI stuff.

MiG-23S Flogger-A battle rating for Air RB same F-4C Phantom II ?

I would say yes. It have less missiles but better ones (15G missiles R-13M) and also better defensive equipment if it get chaffs. The disadvantage compared to the F-4C is that it won’t be very good for bombing. In sim probably BR 10.3.

2nd event vehicle rank VI after MiG-21PFM (USSR) ?

The F-4C BR 10.7 (Air AB), 10.0 (Air RB) and 10.3 (Air SB)

But, MiG-23MS BR 9.7 (Air AB & RB) and 10.0 (Air SB) ?

2nd event vehicle rank VI after MiG-21PFM (USSR) ?

yes

The F-4C BR 10.7 (Air AB), 10.0 (Air RB) and 10.3 (Air SB)
MiG-23MS BR 10.3 (Air AB) and 10.0 (Air RB & SB) ?

MS (same model as MiG-23M but little bit lighter due to reduced avionics - 10 700 kg empty weight compared to 10 890 kg) have significantly better sustainable turn rate.


So I would say BR 10.7 / 10.0 / 10.3

MiG-23S is another question as it have weaker construction so it cant pull so much G, weaker engines. R-27F2-300 with 6900/10000 kp thrust compared to R-29-300 with 8300/12500 kp thrust.