Thanks! Looks like it is worth it to submit a bug report to buff the tranverse rate to 30/15 as Gaijin seem to model the raw tranverse rate for other tanks too.
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Please do! 🙏
Could you tell me which paragraph contain the 15°/s for raw vertical traverse? I can only find the horizontal traverse speed of 30°/s
Where did you get your hand on this papers.
I’m Thai and pretty sure this is not suppose to be release for the public
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If you look at some of my reports you can find the link for it in the description. It’s openly available on a Thai website.
He labels the pages so if you slap them into translate you should be able to see, I can hop on later and take a look for myself
they also are going to fix the name! Community Bug Reporting System
regarding the vertical speed, it is maximum of 7, as the other 15 degrees mentioned was for another among mode for the turret itself, not the gun, so i have closed the report
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Jup dev blog just came out, its renamed
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excited to see all the changes implemented soon!
Hope to see drones，Because like active defense, it is a unique function of the vehicle！
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VT-4 Turret
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/pRRiskHAkUSz
A vertical targeting speed of 22 degrees a second has been acknowledged by the devs! Shout-out to @Apjiesir for making the report and catching the details!
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The VT-4A1 came out, and its state on the live server is nothing short of inexcusable.
To the point of outright anger on my part.
- The UFP has been nerfed from dev to 450mm - 500mm (essentially useless at 11.7).
- The reverse speed has indeed come out at -17km/h
Regarding the reverse speed, it is so disgusting for them to imply that a predecessor 20 years ago (MBT-2000) had double the reverse speed compared to a heavily upgraded version bearing the same transmission moniker CH1000 and technology of the ZTZ-99A. Them moving through with this is downright insulting. - The vertical targeting speed of 22 degrees per second that was acknowledged still came through to around 7 degrees per second when spaded and with an expert crew. An absolute joke.
- The side ERA package that was reported to be missing was given “not a bug” and told to be put in suggestions.
- Multiple bug reports and suggestions have been thrown away.
- A spall liner which the 99A and VT-4, VT-4A1 all posses is not modeled, either. Even though it was also acknowledged.
In its current state, the VT-4A1 has come out barely better than the MBT-2000, if even. At 1.0 BR higher.
I cannot stress how disappointed I am in these people. Perhaps I just care too much about these pixel tanks, but it really is a shame.
Considering they’ve proven to essentially not care about vehicles after they’re released on live, such as the ZLT-11 still NOT being called a ZTL-11 and still retaining a -8.5km/h reverse regardless of how many times it was brought up and “acknowledged” for 2 years now - makes me have very little hope that things will improve.
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Nah, it’s straight up worse because they copy pasted MBT2000 composites, with a garbage tier gearbox, and actually worse GH because of gun depression, it is tier for tier garbage compared to the MBT2000
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It really is. I honestly have no words. I cannot express myself in any civil way regarding this. It is quite… vile.
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its, so funny, the guy in the devblog wrote, that you should play hull down, i now know what he meant with that, you should stand hull down in your hangar, because this tank is so bad
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Same with the Abrams hull armor and spall liner, and Leopard 2A7V hull armor being worse than Strv 122, which is 20 years older and uses older technology.
AND despite saying they won’t nerf heli optics, AH-1Z STILL GOT NERFED to 21x ZOOM! A 2010 heli with worse zoom than 90s AH-64 and Mi-28, what a joke of a company and their treatment of players…SU-27 releasing with missiles from the 90s made to counter the AMRAAM because their ARH missile development was lacking, yet the equivalent F-15 gets missile from the early 80s, amazing.
This update is the worst I have seen in probably all of my 7 years of playing this game.
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That’s because it simply isn’t. The VT-4A1 in-game is a bastardization.
A transmission with 2 reverse gears even though it’s an upgraded CH1000? Even the original suggestion said 3 reverse gears. And yet the moderators, like the idiots they are - CONTINUE to misconstrue the R1 and R2 gear positions (the same as on the 99A) as 2 reverse gears instead of 3, like on the 99A.
No spall liner despite it having one, a vertical targeting of 7 degrees instead of 22. The same 17.9deg horizontal drive like on an MBT-2000 that they made up. 1200/1300hp like a regular VT-4 instead of what the VT-4A1 certainly has (1500hp).
Using a VT-4 document (an older variant) where they misunderstand multiple portions and outright just ignore other data. And ignoring the available side ERA, keeping Chinese vehicles as some of the least protected on the side aspect.
These absolute buffons have somehow, while denying all logic - made the VT-4A1, an upgraded variant of the VT-4 which in itself is a 17 years newer upgrade of an MBT-2000, WORSE OR EQUAL TO THE MBT2000. The mind boggles.
They should have never added these modern vehicles if they were going to treat them like this. This is a sham.
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@Smin1080p Sorry to bother you, but is VT4A1 finished? The current VT4A1 seems to have its composite armor and internal completely copied from MBT-2000. Could you clarify whether this is the final state of the vehicle?
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its so strange to because in the dev server it actually had stronger hull armor that was still underperforming according to acknowledged bug reports.
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