Vote to temporarily replace Pantsir-S1 with the TOR-M2

Gaijin chose a SPAA that can’t be easily dodged by going mach 1.
That’s not bias.

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well with Osa,Skyranger,M-SHORAD, and Avenger they don’t have the reach of the Pantsir, with the MML, MEADS and stuff like Patriot, those are multi-vehicle systems which Gaijin doesn’t really have a plan to add in game. The only one I can really see working is the SLAMRAAM, but that’s at least a year out IMO

When looking at the Pantsir, I wouldn’t look at it from a range perspective, because outside of about 11-12km it isn’t dangerous unless you’re flying in a straight line, except if you’re in a F-14B dropping GBU-24s from space, that thing is mad fun, nothing can really touch it.

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M-SHORAD’s range is MUCH too low (it uses a mix of stingers, AIM-9’s, and Stingers ffs), so is Avenger, and both MML and SLAMRAAM arent AIO’s. Not to mention the fact gaijin doesnt wanna add stuff with 5th gen IR missiles like AIM-9X and Python 5 since theyd be “too OP” and HEMTT CIWS is a vulcan on a truck, its effectively an M163 sidegrade. None of those suggestions compare to the Pantsir.

As for Germany, 9K33 isnt in the same class as pantsir at ALL, Skyranger 30 would be more of a 10.3 vehicle like the LAV-AD, if not lower because gaijin cant be bothered to model AHEAD properly, so its be UTTER garbage ingame, MEADS uses PAC-3 MSE with 35km range AND isnt an AIO, so another no-go there, and IRIS-T has the same “no 5th gen IR missile” issue (and ALSO isnt an AIO)

Outside of 11-12km other SAM LITERALLY cant reach you. Hell, with the recent changes, half of them cant hit you within liker 3km or beyond like 6-8km either, so saying the pantsir outranges everything by 50% both on paper and in practice isnt really that great of an argument

Again, you’re looking at it from a range perspective, which isn’t the correct way to do it.

Pantsir can’t hit even within 10km if the target is going nearly mach 1.
So no, Pantsir doesn’t out-range in practice.


And the Pantsir really can’t either, there’s that rare occurrence where it actually hits you outside 12km unless you’re blindly flying in a straight line. And ever since the missile changes all SAMs have gotten harder to play, except the TOR, that one seemed have gotten better with its increase in missile performance.

Because it has 8 mm wave radar that can’t be detected by curent RWRs in game

That’s just adorable

The Pantsir tracking radar apparently operates at somewhere around 40 GHz. Most RWRs have a maximum frequency of somewhere around 18 GHz, hence they cannot detect the Pantsir’s radar.

You need a specialised type of RWR to detect frequencies in the 40 GHz region. A few aircraft were retrofitted with such systems, but the vast majority don’t have them.

@AlvisWisla @ExcaliburSniper Here is the Pantsir before the last major update. And here is the Pantsir after the update.

That sure looks like it got nerfed to me.

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That’s not a physics change.
That’s a controllability change.

just lol

It’s not. With update it wasn’t that bad.

I’m not sure if GJ wants to tell us that the Russian tech is lagging behind the NATO tech by about 20 years by giving the Patsir-S1 (2012) and for example ADATS (1989) same br, but Pantsir outclasses other SAM systems in so many ways that I don’t really see how this is fixable.

GJ will never replace Pantsir with something else, that is certain. GJ might apply some soft nerfs but Pantsir will rule (and give Russians in battles significant advantage) till some contemporary aircraft to Pantsir are introduced.

Pantsir’s missile is rather easily dodged.
TOR-M1’s isn’t, so no Pantsir ain’t outclassing vehicles, and no Pantsir isn’t getting nerfed cause it’s not OP to begin with.

did you look at most ground vehicles ? russian top tier tanks are more modern then a lot of nato alternatives in the game, most notably abrams and leopard

There’s only one, BVM, and it’s worse than M1A2 SEP.

I would like to kindly remind you that the GRB is not the only mode in WT, and I can guarantee that once you have limited cockpit view and no RWR warning you will dodge nothing.

Really ?

  • It would say it at least outclasses any other SAM by its target acquisition ability. Far superior radar coverage and range, superior Gen3 thermal imager.
  • It does have like 50% more ready to fire missiles then its NATO counterparts.
  • It does not have gimped mobility like FlaRakRad with its 5 gear gearbox (never existed for MAN 8x8 truck)
  • It can fire cannons on a move while it should not
  • It can engage NATO aircraft before they are able to lock AGMs
    And I could go on…

How do you know ?