Depends…?
At least WW2-era they run more russian stuff, ate least until you get to the 122s and leos and stuff
I thought there was no WW2 era?
WT does not do history or WW2 as we are constantly being told when we ask for era separation.
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The inventor of ground combat sim had history in mind when he developed Allies vs Axis and Dictatorships vs Nato lineups for us. it was a good idea and is much better than the mix chaos in AB and RB.
The problem is these heavily mixed chaos tech trees for AB and RB were simply carried over into the sim. that was the mistake.
the sim lineups would have to be changed and improved so that everything fits. improved balancing, an even clearer separation between ww2 and cold war vehicles, no captured vehicles, etc.
so the lineups are more independent of the AB/RB tech trees
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Well at least in simulators there should be some form of history present to simulate the conflict with correct sides etc.
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I think he meant the soldiers too not just vehicles in wt. Also we are mainly talking about the ww2 stuff I-III rank. The moust common uniforms used by finland are simply german unifroms and standard issue helmet for their soldier was also german helmet. They sometimes also used their own designed helmets or soviet helmets too and certainly used soviet weapons. They really just used any equipment they could. But we need to separate things given by their allies (axis) as military aid and things captured and reporpused from their enemy (soviets) in the ww2. Then decide what side they should be in not by the number of soviet vehicles in use.
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I agree with you that Finland belongs on the axis page.
but just putting the entire Swedish techtree between 1_1 to 6_1 on the Axis side would not be good.
it would have been right to put Finnish WW2 Axis vehicles in the German techtrees. without Sweden. that’s how I would have done it.
there are comparable problems with the techtrees of the other nations. which would have to be solved especially for Sim
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I mean yeah, but that would be rather complicated. I personally prefer keeping finland in the swedish tree as if you removed Finland from Sweden then Sweden alone would have no reason to be in ww2 sim battles at all. Also I didnt say up to 6 br I really mean just the ww2 tanks to like 3 rank so like 4.0 t-34 and 3.7 panzer IV as last ones, teoretically up to 5.7 t-34-85 but at that point there are too many after ww2 tanks there. I would not mind your solution too but we all can agree that current situation is just wrong and needs to be changed so that there isnt tanks from finland in swedish tree fighting tanks from finland in german tree.
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yes absolutely. and it will get worse with every update. because then there will surely be new mix vehicles for AB/RB. and nobody at Gaijin is worried about the negative effects for sim. this is a huge problem for us sim players.
to be honest, it was a big mistake to give sweden ww2 vehicles at all. unfortunately, the swedish ww2 vehicles have been in the game for years and I can’t magic them away.
I would have preferred the isralelian solution. i.e. to introduce sweden only from the early cold war. even though sweden was still neutral during the real cold war. today sweden is finally part of nato in reality. so if we are not quite so strict then sweden fits a bit to the nato side in the game from tier IV/V on.
as far as ww2 is concerned. I see absolutely no solution for sweden. because sweden, unlike finland, did not take part in ww2. it’s like including martians in ww2. which of course does not mean that swedes are aliens. :D
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I mean Sweden still did trade with germany and supported Finland in the winter war and contiunation war via supplyes etc. I would not be so strict as removing sweden from ww2 sims entirely. Also I think its imposible at this point with people having the early vehicles and warthunder never completly removes vehicles only makes them unresearchable. Simmlary I think its not much possible to just put finland alone to german tree and make sweden alone again. So making 1.0-4.0 sweden-finland stuff in simulators on axis side seems only acceptable and least complicated option that has decent chance of getting implemented.
- it would be least confusing or frustrating for the playerbase that are not interested in history or dont go on forum to say stuff like “why cant I play simulators with my early war swedish tanks when I could before?” or “why cant I research early war tanks of sweden anymore?”. While if sweden-finland tree is just put at axis side in simulators it would be just “oh I am fighting allies now and no longer there are tanks from finland on the enemy side… neat i guess?”
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yes …now it’s too late. Deleting all the sweden ww2 vehicles would be too radical !.. I just think it was a mistake to introduce these vehicles at all back then. because up until that time we still had a very clear axis vs. allies scenarios. Since Sweden joined, the developers have obviously studied chaos theory. From this time onwards, the tech trees of other nations also fell into complete chaos.
A quick sentence about reality. Sweden did business and supplied ore. But more importantly, Sweden saved Jews from the Germans across the Baltic Sea. I don’t think real Swedes want to see themselves as part of the axis in the game.
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This entire forum post is some of the most braindead/mindboggling banter ive ever read. Just accept gaijin hasnt cared about sim historical brs well before sweden considering the placement of vehicles in the matchmaker.
Do you work at Gaijin?
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Lmao no, otherwise Sim might actually be cared for by them
as long as people are still asking for improvements, there is still hope for sim. when people start to accept that sim is stagnating, it’s over.
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Well heres to hoping something is done. Unfortunately its a grey area for what to do so best of luck.
Japan also saved jews. It wasnt fashist nor nazi and didnt support nazi ideologys during ww2 but had the same enemys. Still as long as Finland is part of neutral sweden then its 1 axis and 1 neutral = the tree I-III rank should be on axis side in sims. Its really just only thing that could pass cuz its least radical.
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Wierd you saying that at this point after we showed gaijin how bad day they can have after not listening to the comunity. Now gaijin is hopefully more caring for the comunity so theres no reason to just :
There are Finnish tanks fighting Finnish tanks at this point in simulators. Who am I to accept it?
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we have to ask the swedish moose what it wants.
there will be a lot of TKs. because sweden has been on the allies side for years now.
sorry but I am not aware that japan saved people from the third reich. especially since japan is very far away.
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Well yes Chiune Sugihara saved over 6000 jews from Lithuania for example.
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