陆战viii级中系必须有的东西

首先是已经在下版本测试服中给出的VT-4,目前来说只能说是不尽如人意。VT-4的装甲防护好于ZTZ-99A,但是在测试服中表现得很差,甚至连它自身的DTC-10都能将其轻松击穿。VT-4不是一个单纯加大的VT-1(MBT-2000),更不该被草率地归入轻坦线(台湾省线),它既不是“轻量化的”,也不是“减少配置的99A”。同样的,99A身上存在的问题依然没有得到解决——VT-4再度刷新了WT中炮闩空洞面积的最大记录!本来在99A上就不存在的炮闩空洞问题,到现在却出现在VT-4上,更何况VT-4的炮闩部位在现实中还有补强,与99A根本不是一个炮闩布局。总之,VT-4、99A和WZ1001均无法适应VIII级陆战的新环境,甚至连在原来的VII房间中都玩得十分不舒服。
如果Gaijin诚心诚意地想推出VIII级陆战,请务必:
1、先修正99A系列坦克炮闩空洞的问题,再重新制作VT-4系列的装甲模型,使其装甲强度强于现有的99A系列坦克。
2、改变对中国自研的尾翼稳定脱壳穿甲弹的认知,将弹体全长计入穿甲战斗部的长度(因为DTC10的风帽是战斗部的一部分,参与完整的穿甲过程,具备完全的穿甲能力),并且不使用现有的“WT弹药穿深换算公式”,那个公式只适用于普通的尾翼稳定脱壳穿甲弹和贫铀弹,不适用于穿甲深度不主要取决于穿杆长度的特种钨合金弹药。577MM的穿深配合上看似强大实则四处漏风的防御力,99A极有可能落到顶级房倒数第二的梯队中去,无力与其他坦克抗衡(面对T-80时就已经十分困难了)。事实上,99A的火力一直在被改进,其发射药性能曾大升级过,对于特种钨合金弹体的DTC-10而言,发射药性能的提升能大幅增加其穿深。为何不给99A发配重置过的125-III呢?这样才符合中系坦克一贯秉持的“火力先行”原则(在其他几乎任何分房,中国坦克的防御力或许不出众,但是火力一定不会差)。
3、硬件的缺失必须补齐:激光压制系统始终未被实装,而VIII陆战的出现正是推出这个大杀器的最佳时机,它可以干扰所有类型激光制导武器的正常瞄准,具备干扰敌方坦克测距的能力,并且能应对多个目标,在团队战斗时,可作为一支非常强大的辅助力量,帮助队友取得胜利,这也符合了WT多人游戏团队配合的初衷。
4、自动装弹机不是T-72同款:T-72恒定7.1秒的装弹时间不适用99A。央视(CCTV)新闻官方说法是平均5秒左右。而考虑到现实中的各种因素,如弹盘转动角度过大也需要耗费时间等,99A在游戏中的装弹时间应当在5.5秒到6.5秒之间,绝非现在的7.1秒。7.1秒在顶级房真的太慢了,尤其是对于一辆被做成“顶级房地狱猫”的坦克而言。
5、辟谣:99A并未考虑披挂侧面爆反,它的航向角防护确实不是很好(99A的悬挂极限就是如此),但是VT-4系列却完全不同,它们都可以加装侧面爆反的套件。此外,“99A2工程”也有着类似T-80BVM的装甲加装布局。
总要求:我们需要一辆真正还原现实的99A:它的炮塔装甲和大多数同级别的坦克一样难以被击穿(包括炮盾外围区域);它的DTC-10的穿深在游戏中应该在600~610,略低于西方坦克,但高于3BM60,且后期型号应该有穿深更高的125-III炮弹,大约在650~660之间),至于实现方式,我建议Gaijin直接为其出一个“发射药加强”的改装件,使现有的DTC10达到预期水平(提高60~80的穿深),等到陆战更新更高等级之后,再配发新的弹药;它应该配备激光压制系统,可以进行一定程度的电子战;它应该有6.0秒级别的装填,具备快速射击的能力。
希望Gaijin能给予关注!
The first is the VT-4, which has already been given in the next version of the test server, which can only be said to be unsatisfactory at the moment. The VT-4 had better armor protection than the ZTZ-99A, but it showed itself poorly in the test suit, and even its own DTC-10 was able to easily penetrate it. The VT-4 is not a simply enlarged VT-1 (MBT-2000), and it should not be hastily classified as the Qingtan Line (Taiwan Provincial Line), it is neither “lightweight” nor “99A with reduced configuration”. Again, the problems with the 99A remain unresolved - the VT-4 has once again set a new record for the largest bolt cavity area in WT! The problem of gun bolt hollowing, which did not exist on the 99A, has now appeared on the VT-4, not to mention that the gun bolt part of the VT-4 is still reinforced in reality, and the 99A is not a gun bolt layout at all. Overall, VT-4, 99A, and WZ1001 were unable to adapt to the new environment of Class VIII land warfare, and even played very uncomfortably in the original room VII.
If Gaijin is sincere in wanting to launch Tier VIII Land Battles, be sure to:

  1. First fix the problem of the hollow bolt of the 99A series tank, and then remake the armor model of the VT-4 series to make its armor strength stronger than the existing 99A series tanks.
  2. Change the perception of China’s self-developed tail stabilized deshelling armor-piercing projectile, and include the full length of the projectile body in the length of the armor-piercing warhead (because the hood of DTC10 is a part of the warhead, participates in the complete armor-piercing process, and has complete armor-piercing ability), and does not use the existing “WT ammunition penetration depth conversion formula”, which is only applicable to ordinary tail stabilized armor-piercing shells and depleted uranium shells, and is not suitable for special tungsten alloy ammunition whose armor-piercing depth does not mainly depend on the length of the piercing rod. WITH THE 577MM PENETRATION DEPTH COMBINED WITH THE SEEMINGLY STRONG BUT LEAKY DEFENSE, THE 99A IS VERY LIKELY TO FALL INTO THE SECOND-TO-LAST ECHELON OF THE TOP ROOM, UNABLE TO COMPETE WITH OTHER TANKS (IT IS ALREADY VERY DIFFICULT TO FACE THE T-80). In fact, the firepower of the 99A has been improved, and its propellant performance has been greatly upgraded, and for the DTC-10 of the special tungsten alloy projectile, the improvement of the propellant performance can greatly increase its penetration. Why not issue a reset 125-III to 99A? This is in line with the principle of “firepower first” that Chinese tanks have always adhered to (in almost any other sub-room, the defense of Chinese tanks may not be outstanding, but the firepower will certainly not be bad).
  3. The lack of hardware must be filled: the laser suppression system has never been implemented, and the emergence of VIII land warfare is the best time to launch this big killer, which can interfere with the normal aiming of all types of laser-guided weapons, has the ability to interfere with enemy tank ranging, and can deal with multiple targets, and can be used as a very powerful auxiliary force to help teammates achieve victory when fighting in a team, which is also in line with the original intention of WT multiplayer team cooperation.
  4. The automatic loader is not the same as the T-72: the constant reload time of the T-72 of 7.1 seconds is not applicable to the 99A. The official statement of CCTV news is about 5 seconds on average.Considering various factors in reality, such as the time required for the rotation angle of the bullet disc to be too large, the reload time of the 99A in the game should be between 5.5 seconds and 6.5 seconds, not the current 7.1 seconds. 7.1 seconds is really slow in the top room, especially for a tank that has been made into a “top room hellcat”.
  5. Refutation of rumors: 99A does not consider draped side explosion reversal, its course angle protection is indeed not very good (99A’s suspension limit is like this), but the VT-4 series is completely different, they can be equipped with side explosion reversal kits. In addition, the “99A2 Project” also has an armor retrofit layout similar to that of the T-80BVM.
    General requirements: We needed a true 99A: its turret armor was as difficult to penetrate as most tanks of its class (including the outer area of the gun shield); Its DTC-10 penetration depth should be 600~610 in the game, slightly lower than that of Western tanks, but higher than 3BM60, and later models should have 125-III shells with higher penetration depth, about 650~660), as for the implementation method, I suggest that Gaijin directly issue a “propellant strengthened” modification for it, so that the existing DTC10 can reach the expected level (increase the penetration depth of 60~80), and wait until the land combat is updated to a higher level, and then distribute new ammunition; It should be equipped with a laser suppression system that allows for a certain level of electronic warfare; It should have a 6.0-second reload and be capable of rapid fire.
    Hope Gaijin will pay attention!
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如果是隔壁可能就为了平衡而增强了,但这里是安东星,你要加强得拿“资料”

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法国玩家已经为我们证明,拿所谓的“资料”没有任何的作用,更何况VT-4流传出来的技术资料并不少,官网上也有发了,但是如果我们不一起发起提议,Gaijin会误以为我们大多数人对它们做出来的东西很满意。

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想法很好,但不可能实现

别太早说不可能,如果我们什么都不做,那就是绝对不可能实现的。别忘了JH7A的KH29是怎么来的

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你id整么只剩b登了,倒模呢(

给了尾部碳化钨芯对侵彻能力提升的论文和碳化钨芯的位置,但是mod说该论文无法证实真实性,图片不丁真,乐死了

这就不得不提勒克莱尔了:法国人提交的资料可不比我们少,但是只有几个人冲论坛,呼声不高,玩家基数也不够大,最终也没有下文了。所以越多人参与讨论,越是有利的。

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打着辟谣的名头继续造谣,你拿[quote=“弗拉基米尔 伊里奇 乌里扬诺夫, post:1, topic:52616, full:true”]
首先是已经在下版本测试服中给出的VT-4,目前来说只能说是不尽如人意。VT-4的装甲防护好于ZTZ-99A,但是在测试服中表现得很差,甚至连它自身的DTC-10都能将其轻松击穿。VT-4不是一个单纯加大的VT-1(MBT-2000),更不该被草率地归入轻坦线(台湾省线),它既不是“轻量化的”,也不是“减少配置的99A”。同样的,99A身上存在的问题依然没有得到解决——VT-4再度刷新了WT中炮闩空洞面积的最大记录!本来在99A上就不存在的炮闩空洞问题,到现在却出现在VT-4上,更何况VT-4的炮闩部位在现实中还有补强,与99A根本不是一个炮闩布局。总之,VT-4、99A和WZ1001均无法适应VIII级陆战的新环境,甚至连在原来的VII房间中都玩得十分不舒服。
如果Gaijin诚心诚意地想推出VIII级陆战,请务必:
1、先修正99A系列坦克炮闩空洞的问题,再重新制作VT-4系列的装甲模型,使其装甲强度强于现有的99A系列坦克。
2、改变对中国自研的尾翼稳定脱壳穿甲弹的认知,将弹体全长计入穿甲战斗部的长度(因为DTC10的风帽是战斗部的一部分,参与完整的穿甲过程,具备完全的穿甲能力),并且不使用现有的“WT弹药穿深换算公式”,那个公式只适用于普通的尾翼稳定脱壳穿甲弹和贫铀弹,不适用于穿甲深度不主要取决于穿杆长度的特种钨合金弹药。577MM的穿深配合上看似强大实则四处漏风的防御力,99A极有可能落到顶级房倒数第二的梯队中去,无力与其他坦克抗衡(面对T-80时就已经十分困难了)。事实上,99A的火力一直在被改进,其发射药性能曾大升级过,对于特种钨合金弹体的DTC-10而言,发射药性能的提升能大幅增加其穿深。为何不给99A发配重置过的125-III呢?这样才符合中系坦克一贯秉持的“火力先行”原则(在其他几乎任何分房,中国坦克的防御力或许不出众,但是火力一定不会差)。
3、硬件的缺失必须补齐:激光压制系统始终未被实装,而VIII陆战的出现正是推出这个大杀器的最佳时机,它可以干扰所有类型激光制导武器的正常瞄准,具备干扰敌方坦克测距的能力,并且能应对多个目标,在团队战斗时,可作为一支非常强大的辅助力量,帮助队友取得胜利,这也符合了WT多人游戏团队配合的初衷。
4、自动装弹机不是T-72同款:T-72恒定7.1秒的装弹时间不适用99A。央视(CCTV)新闻官方说法是平均5秒左右。而考虑到现实中的各种因素,如弹盘转动角度过大也需要耗费时间等,99A在游戏中的装弹时间应当在5.5秒到6.5秒之间,绝非现在的7.1秒。7.1秒在顶级房真的太慢了,尤其是对于一辆被做成“顶级房地狱猫”的坦克而言。
5、辟谣:99A并未考虑披挂侧面爆反,它的航向角防护确实不是很好(99A的悬挂极限就是如此),但是VT-4系列却完全不同,它们都可以加装侧面爆反的套件。此外,“99A2工程”也有着类似T-80BVM的装甲加装布局。
总要求:我们需要一辆真正还原现实的99A:它的炮塔装甲和大多数同级别的坦克一样难以被击穿(包括炮盾外围区域);它的DTC-10的穿深在游戏中应该在600~610,略低于西方坦克,但高于3BM60,且后期型号应该有穿深更高的125-III炮弹,大约在650~660之间),至于实现方式,我建议Gaijin直接为其出一个“发射药加强”的改装件,使现有的DTC10达到预期水平(提高60~80的穿深),等到陆战更新更高等级之后,再配发新的弹药;它应该配备激光压制系统,可以进行一定程度的电子战;它应该有6.0秒级别的装填,具备快速射击的能力。
希望Gaijin能给予关注!
The first is the VT-4, which has already been given in the next version of the test server, which can only be said to be unsatisfactory at the moment. The VT-4 had better armor protection than the ZTZ-99A, but it showed itself poorly in the test suit, and even its own DTC-10 was able to easily penetrate it. The VT-4 is not a simply enlarged VT-1 (MBT-2000), and it should not be hastily classified as the Qingtan Line (Taiwan Provincial Line), it is neither “lightweight” nor “99A with reduced configuration”. Again, the problems with the 99A remain unresolved - the VT-4 has once again set a new record for the largest bolt cavity area in WT! The problem of gun bolt hollowing, which did not exist on the 99A, has now appeared on the VT-4, not to mention that the gun bolt part of the VT-4 is still reinforced in reality, and the 99A is not a gun bolt layout at all. Overall, VT-4, 99A, and WZ1001 were unable to adapt to the new environment of Class VIII land warfare, and even played very uncomfortably in the original room VII.
If Gaijin is sincere in wanting to launch Tier VIII Land Battles, be sure to:

  1. First fix the problem of the hollow bolt of the 99A series tank, and then remake the armor model of the VT-4 series to make its armor strength stronger than the existing 99A series tanks.
  2. Change the perception of China’s self-developed tail stabilized deshelling armor-piercing projectile, and include the full length of the projectile body in the length of the armor-piercing warhead (because the hood of DTC10 is a part of the warhead, participates in the complete armor-piercing process, and has complete armor-piercing ability), and does not use the existing “WT ammunition penetration depth conversion formula”, which is only applicable to ordinary tail stabilized armor-piercing shells and depleted uranium shells, and is not suitable for special tungsten alloy ammunition whose armor-piercing depth does not mainly depend on the length of the piercing rod. WITH THE 577MM PENETRATION DEPTH COMBINED WITH THE SEEMINGLY STRONG BUT LEAKY DEFENSE, THE 99A IS VERY LIKELY TO FALL INTO THE SECOND-TO-LAST ECHELON OF THE TOP ROOM, UNABLE TO COMPETE WITH OTHER TANKS (IT IS ALREADY VERY DIFFICULT TO FACE THE T-80). In fact, the firepower of the 99A has been improved, and its propellant performance has been greatly upgraded, and for the DTC-10 of the special tungsten alloy projectile, the improvement of the propellant performance can greatly increase its penetration. Why not issue a reset 125-III to 99A? This is in line with the principle of “firepower first” that Chinese tanks have always adhered to (in almost any other sub-room, the defense of Chinese tanks may not be outstanding, but the firepower will certainly not be bad).
  3. The lack of hardware must be filled: the laser suppression system has never been implemented, and the emergence of VIII land warfare is the best time to launch this big killer, which can interfere with the normal aiming of all types of laser-guided weapons, has the ability to interfere with enemy tank ranging, and can deal with multiple targets, and can be used as a very powerful auxiliary force to help teammates achieve victory when fighting in a team, which is also in line with the original intention of WT multiplayer team cooperation.
  4. The automatic loader is not the same as the T-72: the constant reload time of the T-72 of 7.1 seconds is not applicable to the 99A. The official statement of CCTV news is about 5 seconds on average.Considering various factors in reality, such as the time required for the rotation angle of the bullet disc to be too large, the reload time of the 99A in the game should be between 5.5 seconds and 6.5 seconds, not the current 7.1 seconds. 7.1 seconds is really slow in the top room, especially for a tank that has been made into a “top room hellcat”.
  5. Refutation of rumors: 99A does not consider draped side explosion reversal, its course angle protection is indeed not very good (99A’s suspension limit is like this), but the VT-4 series is completely different, they can be equipped with side explosion reversal kits. In addition, the “99A2 Project” also has an armor retrofit layout similar to that of the T-80BVM.
    General requirements: We needed a true 99A: its turret armor was as difficult to penetrate as most tanks of its class (including the outer area of the gun shield); Its DTC-10 penetration depth should be 600~610 in the game, slightly lower than that of Western tanks, but higher than 3BM60, and later models should have 125-III shells with higher penetration depth, about 650~660), as for the implementation method, I suggest that Gaijin directly issue a “propellant strengthened” modification for it, so that the existing DTC10 can reach the expected level (increase the penetration depth of 60~80), and wait until the land combat is updated to a higher level, and then distribute new ammunition; It should be equipped with a laser suppression system that allows for a certain level of electronic warfare; It should have a 6.0-second reload and be capable of rapid fire.
    Hope Gaijin will pay attention!
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这个出去说话,人家就要谈谈99A的电液(30/7)和550KE基甲怎么变成全电(38/15)和650KE+了。

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你说得对,但是dm53的结构花活也没做,在这方面你游的针都是一样的简陋
说实话577穿和605穿基本没区别,冲冲装填和装弹机装甲得了