Or French right now i just need AGM-88 so i can rekt Pantsir easily BS problem need to deal with BS solution
So sad. I will let out tears for you!
People taking 10.0 or even lower vehicles as their second (or even first) spawn seem very suboptimal, doesn’t it ?
Some 10.0(and lower) vehicles are very competitive at 11.7.
Stryker MGS, BMP-2M, 2S38, the M3A3 Bradley would be if Gaijin hadn’t unrealistically nerfed the TOW-2B, the Khrizantema is downright nasty on open maps like firearc. The Swedish LVKV 9040 is amazing too, proxy fuse to kill the heli rushers and APFSDS against tanks. Probably missing more.
I, in fact, prefer spawning the Stryker MGS to the Abrams depending on the maps. BMP-2M, 2S38, and TURMS are also a regular occurence even at 12.3 yet Soviet Teams still win most matches.
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Can you give me source or at least state what T-80 was tested. Theres many of them man. T-80, T-80B with early composite layout, T-80BV with same layout because its old production T-80B with K-1 mounts, theres T-80BV of new production with completely new array. There is T-80U with same array but with K-5 built in (which if i remember right is defeated by DM-53 & M829A2 both in game and irl at 2 km range). Theres T-80BVM with same array as T-80BV new production model except with plate being added to mount Relikt, mounting said Relikt.
Considering it was bought after Sweden testing its probably is T-80U, which is already known and actually represented in the game, giving no new info on the topic, thus being unneeded.
On the picture with T-80BVM it doesnt hit the Relikt, thus having to penetrate only original T-80BV (new production) array and 30mm plate which is nothing for the said APDSFS.
They are usable for sure, but are far from optimal in most cases.
One guy taking Rad90 as a second spawn when all flankers are already in position and early game chaos settled down, thus practically neutralizing it’s only advantage at top tier, it’s amazing speed.
Second guy using premium Leopard as a second spawn while having 3 or 4 better MBT options to choose from.
More than a couple of ODLs didn’t help either.
You’re pushing the fault on his team without having knowledge of the composition of the opposing team. In fact, his killfeed screenshot has an early spawned ZTZ-96A(10.0) and a T-80UM2(11.0, doesn’t have thermal).For all we know, the Soviet teams had just as many people in lower BR vehicles.
With that said, do you realize how flawed your logic is? You can’t build your argument with only half of the story.
My logic is quite simple, several people were, honestly, underequipped for the task and he had quite a few ODLs in his team as well.
Both of those things are detrimental to your success, you can’t deny that.
If he didn’t have that many ODLs in his team and people spawning in tech that fits in said BR, his team could very well win and not get stomped in a couple of minutes.
Things like that will practically decide the match before it’s even started, regardless of the tier you are at.
I’m not denying it but your overall position still doesn’t make any sense. The team opposing him had people who were just as underequipped for the task as his team by the look of it but you choose to completely ignore this reality because it doesn’t fit your argument.
You’re diving headfirst into a half-truth/cherry-picking fallacy(Go read what that is if you don’t know) and now double down on it instead of dropping it like an adult. I’m sure you can do better than that.
Guess what enemy team didn’t have ? Exactly five (5) ODLs.
I don’t know about you, but having 4 more guys on the ground is a substantial advantage.
Sorry mate, you can’t really convince me his team lost just because “muh Russian bias”, while like 30% of his team left after a single death, and couple of others cosplayed as XP pinatas.
About half the enemy team didn’t die once. Another moot argument from you. For all we know(Which is the point, we don’t), there were more possible one death leavers in the soviet team. Cherry-picking fallacy example for you since you didn’t bother to check what that is:
“Evidence A and evidence B is available.
Evidence A supports the claim of person 1.
Evidence B supports the counterclaim of person 2.
Therefore, person 1 presents only evidence A.”
The stronger the withheld evidence, the more fallacious the argument.
You’re building your entire argument on a fallacious base. Seriously, do better than that.
The trouble is actually finding intact vehicles that haven’t blown themselves across the countryside and thus leaving little evidence of what killed them.
One example of the engine being physically blown backwards and out of the engine compartment. Suspected kinetic strike because ammunition explosions usually go up and out (taking the path of least resistance). Hence why the turret goes flying but not the components like engine/powerpack despite the latter being lighter. A dart round has the energy to unseat the engine from it’s mounts more often than not.
Compare to the usual Russian tank SOP (this time after Javelin strike). Engine and drivetrain usually stays behind while the turret goes off on it’s merry way.
I’ll add another pre-emptive Hirosava bingo entry.
‘Yeah but you can’t prove it was penetrated unless I have photos of the inside of the turret, first-hand testimonies from the crew and Russia Today saying so in their daily broadcast!’
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T-72 after an AT grenade drop from a drone. But hey, can totally survive 3 APFSDS cruising straight through the autoloader according to some people here. Muh fuel tanks, muh spall liners, and yada yada
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Ah - but that’s where they went wrong. They obviously didn’t get Gaijin to design the armour for them. :)
For those interested I’m sourcing from here.
Time/datestamps usually supplied and the site only lists examples that are confirmed, geolocated and checked to ensure no duplicates. For these reasons likely an underestimate since not every wreck is photo’d or ID’d.
Handily, groups all vehicles by type. So 55 T-80BVMs confirmed destroyed plus a few newer BVM Obr22s.
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Correct, they are still an usable asset on the battlefield, unlike ~30% of your team that are already in the hangar after a single death.
That possibility doesn’t mean a thing, since they are still active on the battlefield and can do who knows what in their, presumably, single life.
Meanwhile you are using “potential ODLs” as your argument. You can do better than that.
In game can even take Maverick without damage only need GBU to kill them and what more prove do they need when none of Russians tankers can come back and tell how they think about the tank or that how it work for Russians?
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That can be said about most destroyed tanks.
Im refering to the picture with APDSFS hitting slightly below and between Relikt ERAs.
This one, to be exact.
A video proof should be enough, if such can be posted here.
I’ll go ahead and say it’s closer to ~500 meters for DM53 fired out of the L/55 on a good day, and 0 meters for M829A2.
No, in game and irl it penetrates up to 2 km,at least im sure M829A2 does. I remember checking that myself.
Edit: its 1 km. https://youtu.be/Bfo494lp_dE?si=3jIAv8YhzWNd8GoX
Will send screenshot of game penetration analysis proof once i am able to.
Feel free to check it again. Because I’ve never got a kill against a T-80U w/DM53 penetrating through ERA and the hull armour at 2km’s without hitting a weakpoint (driver visor).