@Crazed_Otter Is this the “Oh that doesn’t count…” card?
-Scribbles down-
Yep!
Don’t worry - we’ll be onto random excuses involving Lizard People, NATO mosquitoes and the Ghost of Margaret Thatcher riding a broomstick next. (Okay - maybe the last one isn’t an RT talking point yet).
It has nothing to do with volumetric…
It’s just spalling not being modelled right.
And this mismodelling favors russian tanks. Spalling in a western mbt’s spreads all around anyway, while it get absorbed by the carroussel armor in t-80’s. Note that the problem is not that present in t-90’s. Also let’s consider the fact that spall liners are missing in western mbt’s
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Side photo without showing the hole and no actualy proof for what pened it.
Same for this one.
And same for this.
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Cool. I’m done here then. If Leo 2s Project Manager’s statement is not enough, or actual footage, or Gaijin’s own tech mod - nothing ever will. These people are stuck in an endless dream where nothing can ever graze the glorious Red armour (contrary to basically everything).
Good luck solder o7
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Thanks fellow evil Westerner. Keep fighting the good fight!
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Ingame pen analysis says otherwise. M111 penetrates 72A in pb and at 2000 meters.
if the photos are dated and if we know the state of apfsds stocks in ukr at said date, you can just take “worst case scenario” and take the ammo with the most pen.
Is this ammo less powerful than the mentionned nato rounds ? if yes, then you got your answer.
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Show them degrees Ui, c’mon.
Btw, I already know you’re aiming from above the constructional angle.
Sssshh - facts will confuse him =)
Seriously though - having a quick trawl through the extensive database of Russian destroyed MBTs. It’s almost as if there’s some recurring issue there.
This was apparently a T-80BV. Some spalling MIGHT have occurred near the ammunition but I dunno.
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That the card that asks for source. If you wanna tell, that something isnt right - then you should back it up with source. I see no sources, that backing his calculations, so i have zero reasons to believe him more. Quite simple
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And? I know it. But i dont see actual penetration on this photos, nor we dont have info what created that hole (if it was penetrated). ATGM, RPG, HEAT or really APFSDS?
He’s using the exact same method that Gaijin does (take plate, apply modifier, boom, armour)!
The only thing he does differently is that he applies the LoS 0 number to the armour, which Gaijin doesn’t (I underlined it for you, but obviously, you ignored that).
They’re basically modelling their LoS 68 protection as LoS 0 protection. That’s what Conraire was showing there, and you cannot even comprehend that. That’s the reason why they’re overperforming my dude. Everything else I’ve shown was pretty much just supporting evidence to this - those rounds are more than potent enough IRL (DM33 fx), if they weren’t, the Soviets would’ve never started to use ERA - because if their base armour can stop the round already, why add ~2 more tons of useless weight to it?
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HEAT charge have a very characteristic “ring” around it. My limited english can’t really describe how it looks like. But I’m pretty sure you see what I’m talking about
Nope. Idk, if you dont belive, open the game and check by yourself
See heat charge impact, looks nothing like the impact on the given photos
And here is an apfsds impact for comparison :
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You are saying that they made Kontakt-1 to protect them from APFSDS?
Or you trying to say, that if they were sure about their armor, they wouldnt develop KE efficiency for ERA, that they were already using anyway? Clarify what you wanna say, pls.
Just awaiting the next entry on the Bingo Card… sees a bloody big dart penetration in the front of the tank. Tank is plainly no longer in use (probably due to bloody big hole in the front).
‘Yeah but…waffle waffle…something…might have been an RPG’. You realise that makes it even WORSE?
Friendly advice. Just let it go Hirosava. You’re digging a progressively bigger hole despite plenty of evidence being thrown in your direction - from maths to physical photographic evidence to basic common sense. With every evasion, every whataboutism, every attempt to chop and change the goalposts - you are just running out of ideas now.
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You know what I was talking about there.
Just to point it out, I never mentioned Kontakt-1; you have so that’s on you. The only ERA I had on my mind there was Kontakt-5.
The rest was self-explanatory; “why use this when we already don’t have to worry about APFSDS because our armour is sufficient?” (especially considering that Kontakt-5 offers no benefit when it comes to CE protection over Kontakt-1, and is harder to mount than it, takes up more space, leaves more gaps yada yada yada).
Everything shown up to this point was to show that neither the Soviets nor the Russian were confident in their composite armour being enough, that’s why Kontakt-5 and now Relikt exist.
What could’ve drove them to develop anti-KE ERA’s? Ah yes, Western APFSDS rounds, that in this game are useless unless you are aiming for weakpoints, barring the fact the only times Western KEP can do their job is when they’re facing vehicles ~15 years out of date, rather than the stuff they were designed to defeat… womp womp.
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