No, my concern is about lolpenning ANY 11.7 tank.
Lolpenning ANY 11.7 tank via another armored tank requires a BR increase regardless.
Just cause BVM’s turret gets lolpenned, and hulls get lolpenned, doesn’t mean the entire tank gets lolpenned.
conspiracy theory proved by material evidence and investigations in a sensor industry.
not so much of a conspiracy theory if you ask me.
Consideing how cramped that thing is, yeah it pretty much means a pen shot is a kill shot. T-64a really are tasty snacks for my AMX40
if the tank lol penning everyone can itslef be lol-penned, it really does not. Remember the Ariete balancing solution back in the days ? worked pretty well imo
If it is true, you only proved that it is not realistic. You did not prove that it is bias.
Knowing Gaijin, it is just incompetency.
Prove that it is intentionally that way, and it can be called bias.
And then, you only proved about the thermals. Not the ammo, spalling, armor, or other things you guys cough up.
Ariete is the only one that can’t be fixed, which is why 2A7+ for Hungary is Italy’s option of an armored tank.
I do expect an Arete to receive SHARD in the future & be bumped up to the equivalent of 12.0.
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I dont need it. They already were in that thread.
And nothing like this stated in that article anyway.
I never tried to prove there is bias. I just notice that many mismodelling tends to favor russia at top tier, that’s it. proving there is bias requires me to go in the devs head, which, suprisingly i can not do…
Ammo cook off is 15% just like most MBTs (expect for chally 2 and abrams at 50%) nothing to prove again, most people focus on it but it is to me a false problem. Except of course : why do chally and abrams have 50% instead of 15 anyway ?
As for armor, not qualified enough, just saying more modern 120mm would help going through it. I’ll read conraire and sombralix calculations and judge for myself when I have more time.
Where we disagree is spalling. A bit of metal up to 20 mm wide launched at at least several hundreds m/s by the main projectile not penning a 6mm plate requires some new laws of physics simply out of this world. If this spalling could go through that plate, more ammo would be hit, therefore making this 15% chance of ammo cook off less of a problem.
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It’s like you didn’t pay attention to the things they were debating there. Because they weren’t disproving him on anything that is important to what we’re arguing about here, which is:
And nothing like this stated in that article anyway.
I love it when people just ignore 90% of the stuff you write.
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Actually, maybe we need to come at this the other way.
What proof is there that Russian tank armour WILL protect against insert X NATO shell here.
For example, we’ve seen lots of modern Russian stuff being knocked out by old/legacy APFDS that are used by Uke T-64s. If an elderly Mango round can defeat Kontakt1/5/Relikt - it isn’t a massive jump to suspect that contemporary NATO munitions (munitions designed expressly with Soviet armour in mind) should be effective.
For example - Mango penetration on the lower-front of glacis plate on 72B3.
Ooo look. Another one - this time through the strongest part of the turret front.
But alas Ivan! There’s more!
Seriously - the ammunition available to Uke tankers was pretty limited (Soviet-era Mango rounds at best - possibly some of the Polish/Czech updates that came along with their donated 72 models). These three are clear examples of penetrations by such rounds BEFORE Western tank rounds were in country.
So if in the real-world - Russian frontal armour isn’t much good against Soviet-era rounds. What hope in hell would they have against modern NATO ones?
Answers on a Postcard Komrades.
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I’m bumping this up. When the Russians got their hand on a Magach with M111 APFSDS, they founds out T-72A is incapable of stopping it out to 2km’s - in the game the very same tank’s armour can stop the round at pretty much a Point Blank range. They had to weld the additional HHA plate to the glacis in order to give it a chance of surviving at 800 meters, here you can do that at 500 meters without said plate!
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Yeah - funny that isn’t it! I’ll get the Copenik Bingo card out shuffles paperwork.
‘Oh that doesn’t count.’
‘Yeah but whatabout…’
‘Oh that isn’t knocked out - it’s resting, pining in the fjords, etc.’
I hope you realise that it is because volumetric being a bugged mess, right?!
Again, then why dont u go cry on the forum when it happens to a non-soviet tank?
Cherrypicking/confirmation bias again.
I agree that it should not work like that.
But then why the hell you make a comment like that in a russian bias conspiracy thread?
The same thing goes for overpressure. It is still bugged like crazy, and how long is it in the game?
I answered to it anyway. Idk what you want.
Anyway he havent provided any source in that thread.
-Scribbles down-
Yep!
Don’t worry - we’ll be onto random excuses involving Lizard People, NATO mosquitoes and the Ghost of Margaret Thatcher riding a broomstick next. (Okay - maybe the last one isn’t an RT talking point yet).
It has nothing to do with volumetric…
It’s just spalling not being modelled right.
And this mismodelling favors russian tanks. Spalling in a western mbt’s spreads all around anyway, while it get absorbed by the carroussel armor in t-80’s. Note that the problem is not that present in t-90’s. Also let’s consider the fact that spall liners are missing in western mbt’s
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Side photo without showing the hole and no actualy proof for what pened it.
Same for this one.
And same for this.
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Cool. I’m done here then. If Leo 2s Project Manager’s statement is not enough, or actual footage, or Gaijin’s own tech mod - nothing ever will. These people are stuck in an endless dream where nothing can ever graze the glorious Red armour (contrary to basically everything).
Good luck solder o7
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Thanks fellow evil Westerner. Keep fighting the good fight!
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Ingame pen analysis says otherwise. M111 penetrates 72A in pb and at 2000 meters.