Much more than that, it was the guy leading the entire Leopard 2 project - Paul Werner Krapke. He had access to all the information, much more than I can provide here ever. If he says it can, it simply can. No buts.
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Eh… Your quote literally saying differen thing. That K-5 is effective in defeating KE ammo. And thats all. Not that T-72B could be defeated by DM-13/23/33. Nowhere on that page this was stated.
Now you’re just strawmanning this lol. You’re hopeless.
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Well, if your own quotes are strawmans… Im literally working with your own quotes. With what you said
Don’t trust source X, it’s surely false.
Here’s a picture from source Y stating different things.
Pls believe source Y, just because I think (and am probably biased about it) it’s legit
Lmao okay.
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In future updates for higher BR vehicles.
Just as lolpen APFSDS against Object 279 is at 9.3.
Just as lolpen against Abrams is at 10.7 - 11.3.
Coolio. In original German the plate is described as “tank armour” (composite in other words) and explosive as “ERA”. Meaning was lost in the translation, but it can still be extrapolated from the machine translation.
That’s still just supporting evidence though, and you still haven’t explained at all how Sombralix or Conraire were wrong, yet you pretend to be the Mr. KnowItAll.
FYI:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712796105741697064/819949236891942962/unknown.png
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ok so let’s sum it up.
You want a realistic game, where vehicles are modelled as close as possible (including ammo right ? would be a shame to have double standards)
Buuut, APFSDS that can pen a t-80BVM on UFP would be too op and needs a new BR.
Therefore, more OP ammo has to wait cause it would cause imbalance against the BVM. Now tell me again, is the t-80 being hand held or not ?
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Once again, you’re bringing absolutely nothing of value other than toxicity. Bring some actual arguments regarding Sosna and/or Irbis-K if you don’t agree with something I said. This is not a secret that Russia exported Catherine thermal and then copied it in ~2016 to not be dependent on France.
Russia was always lagging behind when it came to thermal. The Agava was already a piece of **** during the cold war and Russia’s thermal programs died in the 90s due to lack of funds. They only started recently to pour money back into it but they have 20 years to catch up on truly modern thermal systems found in the west.
or the french article that dedale posted about Thales having legal problems due to the sales.
Just pointed out the double standard you use.
And as always, instead of trying to prove me wrong, you start to ramble about me being “toxic”.
I am not suprised at all.
At that point, I’m not sure if you’re just an elaborate troll or actually serious. I truly hope it’s the former.
Sosna U uses catherine as thermal imager
They got found on captured vehicles in you know where
you missed the whole second part of his message i think
APFSDS that can lol-pen armored tanks is powerful no matter what it’s against.
3BM60 vs M1 Abrams, which is why 10.3s don’t have 3BM60.
Also Abrams, Leopard 2, etc isn’t BVM. So you’re wrong there as well.
You just want to lolpen all Leopards with OP Russian rounds.
Stop claiming all MBTs are handheld just cause they can’t be lolpenned by tanks you want to be OP & unfair, and of course unrealistic.
Realism & balance > your desire for Russian/German/American bias.
And? I still dont see where it states “72B without K-5 can be defeated by Dm-13/23/33” on that page
Yet again… Calcualtions without any source and some of participants (with some sources at least) disagreed with them anyway
nato tanks hull already get lol penned anyways
Don’t worry about leopard / abrams / ariete / leclercs players too much, it won’t change a thing. BVM’s tho ? hah, they’ll have to think instead of pressing “W”.
you’re very, and i mean VERY confused if you fail to realize i’m a ouiaboo. I mean you can litterally spot it by reading 2 of my posts.
As for your concern about lol penning a BVM, you’ll still have the turret. Welcome to the club of other fellow tanks, don’t think it would justify that much of a BR decrease. Then again, if it’s considered necessary, sure why not. I prefer having vehicles performing realistically and adjusting by BR (meaning a BVM would probably be at a lower BR than abrams, leclerc or leopard, if they were implemented correctly)
And I do, I also know the T-72B was nearly defeated by 3BM-32 (you can find that out by visiting bttk), a projectile significantly weaker than DM33 all things considered, and more on par with DM23. While it was overzaelous of me to say DM13/23 can defeat T-72B, it was more’so of a statement that before Kontakt-5 no Russian MBT was safe from a peer opponent since they all had ammunition that was more than capable of defeating them at engagement ranges (~2km’s).
Yet again… Calcualtions without any source and some of participants (with some sources at least) disagreed with them anyway
Feel free to disprove them. I’ll wait. Those participants weren’t even correcting Conraire (fx) on the armour potency at 0 deg LoS either (and Raldi is… actually nah).
No, my concern is about lolpenning ANY 11.7 tank.
Lolpenning ANY 11.7 tank via another armored tank requires a BR increase regardless.
Just cause BVM’s turret gets lolpenned, and hulls get lolpenned, doesn’t mean the entire tank gets lolpenned.
conspiracy theory proved by material evidence and investigations in a sensor industry.
not so much of a conspiracy theory if you ask me.
Consideing how cramped that thing is, yeah it pretty much means a pen shot is a kill shot. T-64a really are tasty snacks for my AMX40
if the tank lol penning everyone can itslef be lol-penned, it really does not. Remember the Ariete balancing solution back in the days ? worked pretty well imo