He’s not got a clue and I think he’s just arguing for the sake of arguing by this point.
Once you work on that basis, annoying things like truth and facts tend to go by the wayside. He has his little Russian worldview and no amount of T-72/T-80 turrets going weeeeeeeee! into orbit will change that.
I can only assume he’s had his head stuck in a plant pot since Feb 2022. It would actually explain quite a bit…
I mean it’s no secret russians import french thermals, even made quite the scandal in france in 2022… Thales got quite a bit in trouble for that…
Here some article in french, this article mentions thermal cameras Thales admitted livering to russia up to 2019 :
Here, line 8 of paragraph 2 of this article : “Appelé “Catherine”, le système de caméra coûterait plusieurs centaines de milliers d’euros.”, which you could translate by “Called “Catherine”, this camera system costs several hundreds of thousand euros”
So yeah, this backs @CyrusJackson claim about t-80 BVM’s thermals being gen 2
Because Leo 2 turrets are not on the Moon…
A single tank? Have you played War Thunder?
“In the 80s, the new reactive armour (Kontakt 5) was introduced, which, due to the plate thickness (composite KE protection), as well as the new explosives (K-5) - for the first time, a protective effect against KE ammunition was demonstrated”.
It literally cannot get more explicity than that. They’re basically saying it was only thanks to Kontakt-5 that T-72B could survive a hit with the munitions of the time (DM13/23/33), this only aids the what I stated earlier, Sombralix and Conraire are correct, Gaijin is wrong in their implementation of Soviet/Russian composites.
On one side, the project manager who worked on the ammunition, on the other, someone who never worked on it, nor on the armor it’s supposed to defeat.
Same thing for igla / mistral situation. Project manager claims it can do 30G, but some dev (missile specialist mind you) decides it can’t cause, and i quote “igla can only do 10G”
Much more than that, it was the guy leading the entire Leopard 2 project - Paul Werner Krapke. He had access to all the information, much more than I can provide here ever. If he says it can, it simply can. No buts.
Eh… Your quote literally saying differen thing. That K-5 is effective in defeating KE ammo. And thats all. Not that T-72B could be defeated by DM-13/23/33. Nowhere on that page this was stated.
Now you’re just strawmanning this lol. You’re hopeless.
Well, if your own quotes are strawmans… Im literally working with your own quotes. With what you said
Don’t trust source X, it’s surely false.
Here’s a picture from source Y stating different things.
Pls believe source Y, just because I think (and am probably biased about it) it’s legit
Lmao okay.
In future updates for higher BR vehicles.
Just as lolpen APFSDS against Object 279 is at 9.3.
Just as lolpen against Abrams is at 10.7 - 11.3.
Coolio. In original German the plate is described as “tank armour” (composite in other words) and explosive as “ERA”. Meaning was lost in the translation, but it can still be extrapolated from the machine translation.
That’s still just supporting evidence though, and you still haven’t explained at all how Sombralix or Conraire were wrong, yet you pretend to be the Mr. KnowItAll.
FYI:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712796105741697064/819949236891942962/unknown.png
ok so let’s sum it up.
You want a realistic game, where vehicles are modelled as close as possible (including ammo right ? would be a shame to have double standards)
Buuut, APFSDS that can pen a t-80BVM on UFP would be too op and needs a new BR.
Therefore, more OP ammo has to wait cause it would cause imbalance against the BVM. Now tell me again, is the t-80 being hand held or not ?
Once again, you’re bringing absolutely nothing of value other than toxicity. Bring some actual arguments regarding Sosna and/or Irbis-K if you don’t agree with something I said. This is not a secret that Russia exported Catherine thermal and then copied it in ~2016 to not be dependent on France.
Russia was always lagging behind when it came to thermal. The Agava was already a piece of **** during the cold war and Russia’s thermal programs died in the 90s due to lack of funds. They only started recently to pour money back into it but they have 20 years to catch up on truly modern thermal systems found in the west.
or the french article that dedale posted about Thales having legal problems due to the sales.
Just pointed out the double standard you use.
And as always, instead of trying to prove me wrong, you start to ramble about me being “toxic”.
I am not suprised at all.
At that point, I’m not sure if you’re just an elaborate troll or actually serious. I truly hope it’s the former.
Sosna U uses catherine as thermal imager
They got found on captured vehicles in you know where
you missed the whole second part of his message i think
APFSDS that can lol-pen armored tanks is powerful no matter what it’s against.
3BM60 vs M1 Abrams, which is why 10.3s don’t have 3BM60.
Also Abrams, Leopard 2, etc isn’t BVM. So you’re wrong there as well.
You just want to lolpen all Leopards with OP Russian rounds.
Stop claiming all MBTs are handheld just cause they can’t be lolpenned by tanks you want to be OP & unfair, and of course unrealistic.
Realism & balance > your desire for Russian/German/American bias.