No other vehicle in game with gen 3 tvd that you will find on ifv with br 9.0 minimum (BMP-3) and lrf which no other vehicle will get until 8.7 (Obj 685).
It is best to state that vidar are not only too undertiered it is also more advanced than other countries in the same br. other vehicle which at the same br for example M60, T-54(1951), centurion mk10 and leopard 1 are vehicles from 60s while vidar is from 2005 none of these vehicle have access to tvd and lrf both at once
it is in the best interest to rebalance vidar to 9.0-9.3 where all other tank have similar advantage
So the VIDAR only gets -2.5 degree gunderpression. Its a massive target with a slow round and its premium.so I like to make ppl like you angry while playing this thing and getting bored of grinding.
well, one issue here is no other vehicle at that br get tvd and lrf. not even ifv which the earliest to get gen 3 tvd and lrf at 9.0 (BMP-3) as stated it is fun and challenging if you meet vidar once in a while. not every match having -2.5 degree of depression doesnt matter when your enemy cant even see you in the first place since all vehicle at 8.0 doesnt have tvd and only small fraction of 8.7 have lrf. im sure what you are trying to do here is rage baiting and unfortunately i didnt bite it
I’ve played VIDAR and BMP-3 and I must say BMP-3 is way better than VIDAR, more versatile, and can also be played as indirect fire artillery due to the low pressure HE 3OF70, you can easily kill anything by distance behind cover.
On other hand, VIDAR is only good at long ranges maps with, depending on the round and distance, as sniping vehicle, BMP-3 has a secondary autocannon and a main cannon capable of both firing the low pressure 3OF70 and Tandem warhead ATGM, good for close combats maps like Alaska.
To be honest I don’t know, VIDAR used to be 7.7, it’s 8.0 because of the spam it was when it was firstly introduced, BMP-3 at 9.0 is unknown, I’d prefer and never had issue with it at 8.7, either with or against it in a match. BMD-4 maybe 9.0, is more mobile but more suitable for city maps due to the fast loading ATGM.
That’s not true.
It has terrible gun depression so you have to find a spot where you can actually shoot from. It has only 2 rounds in first ammo stowage so your reload goes to crap pretty quickly as well. Also, gun traverse is horrible so you’re better off just hull aiming it.
Most of the maps we get are pretty cramped so your LRF and great thermals won’t be that useful in plenty of cases.
Only time I found VIDAR to be oppressive is on full downtiers that happen to be on a big map, but that’s about it. This is true with plenty of 8.0 - 8.3 tanks since around that time we get massive improvements on our tanks (LRF, darts, stabilization, etc…).
In my opinion VIDAR could go up to 8.3 but that’s it, anything above that is just pushing it.
The earliest one to have all that features is 8.7, JaPz.K A2 with 4 seconds reload timer and shooting DM23 equivalent ammunition, it has lrf and thermals
But lets be fair 8.0 is a bad BR anyways. If I don’t get uptiered 24/7 I would full agree and say it should get ip to 8.7 but anything higher makes this tank unplayable aswell. Having ni stabilizer on such a big target isn’t a great thing when you fight russian stabilized 100mm guns all the time.
There are plenty of vehicles that get LRF below 8.7, and some with both LRF and TVD at 8.0. One example being M41D, AMX-10RC being another. I don’t know why you claim the Obj 685 has TVD, unless you meant it has LRF and it the first vehicle to get that at 8.7 (there are loads of LRF between 7.7-8.3)… but neither makes any sense and to be honest, it’s difficult to read your post.
I guess M41D needs to go to 9.3 as well where other vehicles have “similar advantages” because apparently LRF and TVD is all that matters when considering a tanks performance. Let’s slap a LRF and TVD on a sturmtiger and put it at 9.3 as well.
Jokes aside, the Vidar has practically no armor, terrible gun depression and is as large as a house. Not to forget, it has a grand total of 3 “fast” reload rounds before the reload is much worse. It gets thermals, which can be quite useful and it can move fairly quickly. But to be honest, to me this post sounds like it comes from someone who recently had a bad experience of getting killed by a decent player using a Vidar. You suggesting it goes to 9.0-9.3 only serves to further entrench that point.
Nearly every tank at 9.0-9.3 is far better in almost every characteristic and suggesting it go there, to be honest, is ridiculous. It just seems like you’re angry at getting taken out by it, I could see you suggesting 8.3, but such a large jump makes you seem unreasonable. Further strengthening the unreasonableness of this is your claim that nothing below 8.7 has laser rangefinder, did you even try to look into this before stating it as fact?
You seem to think that having the advantage in the form of laser rangefinder and thermals just invalidates all other disadvantages a vehicle has and thus the only logical conclusion is that it should go up against opponents having laser rangefinders, gen 1 thermals, equal mobility, better gun handling and turret traverse, easier to hit ammo AND stabilizers.
I’m just going to guess that you main Soviet tanks, because it seems you hardly consider any other nation.
Was m41d from 2005? I remember seeing m41 in full metal jacket so pitting them against other 8.0 does actually make sense still their thermal is horrendous unlike vidar which gives you clear gen 3 thermal
Using no armour as an excuse well i guess i can say we should put 2s38 in 8.0 as well since it had no armour whatsoever, horrendous depression angel but it was made in 2000s, and based on your logic it is fair since all of these characteristics were on vidar
Date of when a vehicle was made has absolutely no relevance, I don’t know why you’re bringing it up. The M41D is from the 90’s, so I guess it’s only fair that it faces M1A2 abrams.
I’m not pointing out any singular characteristic, that’s you. I wouldn’t say because the 2S38 has no armor it should be 8.0. I’m looking at the combined characteristics of the Vidar and you saying it should go from 8.0 to 9.0-9.3 is quite frankly, laughable.
You point out that the Vidar has the same characteristics as your beloved 2S38, but somehow you “forget” to compare their guns, fire rate, size, scouting abilities and the fact the 2S38 has a remote turret AND a stabilizer. Not to mention, the “terrible” depression it has is actually DOUBLE that of the Vidar. But sure, totally fair comparison 520BadGateway.
So the only two real characteristics they share is bad armor. Another vehicle that also shares that would be the Sdkfz. 222, let’s put it at 8.0 as well!
2S38 is a 10.3 which can potentially face 9.3 vehicles, even other 10.0 IFVs have far worse characteristics than it in many ways. Hell’ it’s on the same BR as the PUMA and Strf 9040 for whatever reason, better gun, ammo capacity, thermals and similar if not better speed. I could go into the 2S38 further, but seeing as that’s not the point of this post, I won’t and it holds no relevance for this discussion, so I don’t know why you brought it up.
Weird, it’s almost like you have to make up a strawman of what I actually said in my previous comment and then argue against that instead. I don’t know why you focused on me saying no armor and then trying to make a point out of it when I mentioned a lot more than that, I guess it was the easiest way to make a faulty argument.
You do realise puma have both era and nera while strf has spall liner. Alright sure let’s give 2s38 its full potential as well. time to give its side kaktus era as well if you want to come to that
Of course you dont want that to happen, right? The immortal 2s38 suddenly get more era package if that happens im not sure how much you will cry about it
Maybe you’ll start demanding it to be up tiered into br 13.0 or something now the issue here was about something that can clearly sees you from 2km away while other tank in its br still relying on slide rule to calculate their enemy distances with margin error of ±50m and their range is also limited to only 900m
Obj 685 like i stated before has lrf this gave it an extra edge on the other hand something like vidar having both crystal clear gen 3 thermal and lrf
Alright stay with me here this may surprise you
You will see how imbalance it becomes if you are in something like simulation battle where and the map happens to be desert
Im sure you already checks my cards and saw how active i was in sims battle and i can assure you it is more than 2 battle
I’ve seen a sim battle where the whole team getting sealclubbed by a single vidar, trying to cap and since it is sim battle the lineup is predetermined and vidar will not see something higher than its predetermined vehicles