+1 Would love to have this. Always open to British additions
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the APHE does have a decent penetration at a low rank. it’s not the best. but the French have a 37mm with only a solid shot that deals 50mm of penetration. while it might be weak for the current balance, it still can be dangerous at low rank. It’s just the low mobility and light armor that is bad.
This is interwar, 24 KPH is comparable to some early inter-war tanks in the game already—Ex: The Ro-Go(22 kph), Vickers A1E1 Independent(32 km/h), Neubaufahzeug(30 km/h) and T-35(30 KPH).
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The A1E1 is terrible at 1.3 and should be a 1.0 tank. Yet, the A1E1 is still better than this.
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Not to be rude but i don’t care if the vehicle is terrible or not. It still performs its job also you cannot compare a Vickers Infantry Tank No.2 to the Independant they are of completely different sizes. Despite this being slower it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be more lethal. Since its a smaller target.
Results show smaller targets are harder to hit than something the size of 2 Ford 150’s.
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And I didn’t say it should never be added. I said it should be added if lower BR’s than 1.0 are introduced.
I don’t want a repeat of the French 1.0 experience. The Medium III would be a better addition. Same gun, similar armour, far better mobility to make use of an inferior gun.
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No, this would do fine at 1.3. It’s the same 47mm cannon, and it’s a smaller target, so the results are going to be far better than the giant A1E1 Independent. Which does pretty poorly at 1.3 due to uptiers and even at its BR, the vehicle is an easy target to spot.
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I mean, you can enjoy your tank that’s slower than all the vehicles you mentioned. Can get killed by a .50 cal up to ranges of 900m, because it has worse armour than all the vehicles you mentioned. With a terrible gun that can’t be used adequately because the tank has no ability to absorb hits or flank. The only positive thing about this vehicle is it’s smaller than the Independent. Which as I already said, shouldn’t even be at 1.3 to begin with.
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It’s 1.3, everything can be penned by a.50 cal Facepalm my dude you don’t know what you’re talking about. Don’t know why you keep trying to defend the claim that this vehicle is worse than the Independent despite it being a smaller target than the Independent. All because it’s slightly slower? Seriously. That’s like claiming the Ho-Ni I is a worse tank than the Ha-Go because its open top.
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I don’t think you play low tiers at all. I’ve free aced every 1.0 - 3.0 British vehicle. One of my favourite BR’s is 1.3.
This machine is worse than the British reserve in almost every way the A13 has:
- More armour 14mm to 12.7
- 48km/h top speed to 24
- 24.6 hp/t to 8.08
- 36 degrees of turret rotation compared to 10
- -15 degrees of gun depression to -4
- Better shell selection including a better APHE round
- Smoke dischargers
So yes, continue to tell me I’m wrong when this is worse than Britain’s 1.0 reserve tank.
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top speed is just a part of the mobility
there is other factors to consider. the Gear Ration, the engine power, the weight of the tank, the traction of the track, the torque of the engine. those are all affecting how the tank will behave.
sadly, the Vickers No2 is not favored at any of that. only a few tanks will perform worse than the No2 in this matter, the French H.35, 2C, and R.39 and also the American T95 & T28 and the British TOG II
the low mobility is not a problem as long you play more defensively. the armor makes the No2 ill-suited for taking a hit. but at the BR 1.0 there is plenty of vehicles with a similar level of protection. such as the T-26 or Tetrach. so I would not worry that much. it’s a light tank after all.
the gun is still decent. it might not be good when you bring it at a higher tier but against light armour, it can be rather effective.
but I made this suggestion just because I liked this tank in particular. it has a real steampunk vibe. i also have hope to eventually get a rebalance of the low-rank vehicles in which this tank will have its place. i would also hope to see the Fiat 3000B for Italy, the M1922 Medium tank for the USA, the T-18M for Russia, the Leitchtractor for Germany, The I-Go Ko 1930 for Japan, the AMC P16 for france, Strv L-5 for Sweden and plenty of other tanks that is just not perform well enough in the current balance but still can offer interesting gameplay and maybe even balance the game well. it could also be a way to fix the BR compression.
maybe offering a slower gameplay where 15mm of armor can be enough at a distance would give the possibility to have a more forgiving playstyle and give the new players a decent chance to learn from their mistakes without having those mistakes been too fatal right away. i do not understand why there is .50 call on roof of some reserve tanks when their main gun is already great. i feel like some reserve vehicles and vehicles they can encounter or a bit underrated.
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I’m aware of why you made it and I welcome it. I just don’t agree with any of the points Jam is making since none are solid counterarguments on why it should be added. All of them have been based on “No armor” or “poor speed” which fails to take everything you had said into consideration.
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I not only played them I spaded them. All of them. I’ve played the French and spaded all of them for reserve. So I know what I’m talking about and this would not be the “Worse” by any long shot of that term. Heck, I’m currently spading out the Americans and nearly just finished spading the Soviets.
So when it comes to the British, I’m sorry bud but they are nowhere near the worst in terms of reserves, they haven’t come close to the 2nd, and taking what Cal said into consideration that 47mm cannon would benefit these vehicles at range. If you’re using it up close then you probably need to form a new playstyle in your head based on range and defense and less aggression.
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he is not wrong, currently, this tank would perform poorly in the game. but it does have a gun that is decent enough. it might not be as painful to play as the H.35 and FCM 36. at least when you hit a target, it has a good chance to kill it. it can be added right away and be somewhat playable but it would not be very enjoyable as the tank will feel inferior to the tanks it will encounter.
but as I mentioned in the previous message, this suggestion is not made with the purpose of only having this tank added. it’s an option and maybe a solution to rebalance the game properly. but it comes with a lot of other additions. maybe it would never happen. but if people support enough of those suggestions maybe Gaijin would consider working on it. if the balance is reviewed and similar tanks become the norm in the reserve level, I am sure he will change his mind about it.
Put the tank into a defensive position, and turn the entire vehicle to expose the rear. Would do fine considering the engine would be taking the shots. Not every time but considering it’s 1.3 most don’t know how to aim. So you’re gonna pop several off before the tank is inoperable. Even then Gaijin tends to put Interwar vehicles as Premiums rather than tech tree.
new players do not use those trick
Yeah, and their stats also shouldn’t matter on where the vehicle should be positioned on the BR bracket. But didn’t make the game so not gonna argue. The point is, this vehicle will do fine. An inexperience opinion on such matters does not matter since they don’t have experience in seeing the capabilities of vehicles even ones like this.
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Sure, because 38mm of penetration at 500m is good penetration for range. Compared to 2-Pdr APHE that’s 49mm at 500m with better explosive mass, and when you actually need to engage at long range there’s 2-Pdr APCBC with 77mm at 500m.
The 3-Pdr is one of the worst cannons in the game, not the worst but close. So you have a vehicle with 0 armour, 0 mobility, and 0 firepower. Why do British players want this again?
This would be a decent tank, but under 1.0 whenever that comes.
actually, their stats matter the most when it comes to reserve vehicles. it’s the stats of experimented players that should not matter in the rank 1. like this you can have an honest evaluation of the vehicle’s performance in the hands of unexperimented players which is how the game in introduced to them. i can manage to do about anything with any tanks because I have played this game for years. it do not mean the tank is good. i sometimes purposely play the weakest vehicles of the game and try to beat my record of kills with them just for fun. and I do get the Stats adnormally higher.