Some players get used to use Fox1 (Doppler) and Fox3 msls just for get ez kills in GRB. It is incredibly easy to get necessary RP, incredibly ez to kill others players who cannot strike back. Those mls should costs much more RP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTF3e78QKFs
no if anything They shoud free when theyre included in an exclusively A2A loadout. CAP should be encouraged imo.
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Quite frankly. What are most nations suppose to do?
ADATS (US, UK)
Imp Chaparral (Israel)
OTOMATIC (Italy)
etc etc etc
Can barely counter older stuff. KH-38 on the SU-25SM3, forget it. So most of the time, the best thing to do, is spawn in CAP. Which at top tier, usually means Fox-3s, but if not, almost certainly Fox-1s.
But those are 500+ SP. Vs something like Pantsir which is only 70 SP is actually kinda unfair. I personally want to see CAP be reduced in cost notably, maybe as low as 250 SP
Besides, even ignoring that. CAP is always superior to SPAA
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no, it should be more cheaper than current sp cost, i mean it can’t do anyting vs ground vehicle, so it should be a lot cheaper in grb than spawning a2g loadout, ideally closer to spaa sp cost
“Just spawn a plane” parroters when you spawn in a plane:
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love playing cas in grb, also love dogfights in grb, a2a munitions should be free when not using any ground munitions. that along with a fixing of saclos missile would make high tier grb much more fun for everybody besides avid cas players and heli pilots(who suffer from awful manpad implementation with the exception of the igla and the aim 9m equipped ah1z)
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Even then, I think the issue for CAS could be mitigated by moving the air spawns back a bit and having 2 air spawn points. Mitigates the air spawn camping a little.
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i think theyre fine as is, just increase spawn prices for guided munitions, also AA rewards kinda suck
CAS hating make ppl blinde to see, that gameplay on video obviously cancerous. I see competition in opposing between SPAA and CAS, but absolutely zero competition when unskilled SU27sm, who didnt make it good in ARB, kills AV8B with fox3 in GRB, for me its almost abuse.
Pretty sure unskilled CAS-haters will make DEVs separate ground mode from CAS, make CAS main players to leave, but then something new will appear on horisen like potato MBT, this haters migrate there and this game will die.
RP gains in ground are horrible, you should say its easy to get kills, sure, but not RP.
You probably have to kill 4 planes in GRB to get the same reward you would in ARB.
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Defend yourself or don’t spawn CAS if you don’t have aerial superiority
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CAS lover here.
CAP has and always will be the most effective counter to any CAS.
Whether that is a Spitfire dealing with Ju-88s all the way up to an ARH slinger like the Su-27 dealing with an AV-8B.
There certainly is a compression issue at top tier at the moment, both for aircraft and tanks. Ordinarily an aircraft like the Su-27SM wouldnt meet something like an AV-8B(NA) (what I assume you are playing) which obviously does cause some balance issues, but it is somewhat needed. As previously mentioned, most nations dont have effective SPAA, they are heavily dependent on CAP to effectively counter most CAS, it would be unfair to give some nations effective CAP and others not purely because of SPAA performance for those respective nations. Though I dont that would change much, a Tornado F3, F-4S, Mig-23, etc would still counter the AV-8B(NA) just as effectively most of the time.
Fox-3 missiles already have a fairly controversial SP Cost and Fox-1 and Fox-2 missiles having any SP Cost is especially disliked. Many, like myself, actually want to see CAP aircraft become notably cheaper, maybe even halving their spawn cost to make them even more effective at counter-CAS gameplay. (though Id suspect Fox-3s would and probably should maintain a very high spawn cost)
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Soldier with rifle will be more effective than pilot with pistol when he meet him on ground.
Sure, sure…
The only trouble is that the same planes using them can also carry some very mean A2G and basically own the sky. Agree on encouraging CAP however.
GRB is the superior air combat gamemode. The markers in ARB are too arcadey for me, but I don’t want to play sim.
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Suure… Aspecialy when u play as superior supersonic fighter and enemy cant rly strike back, like in vids.
Ez air kills in GRB and may call your self: good figher pilot*
100% only annoying because of the short engagement ranges, that aside its very good
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If it kills the CAS on GRB, I am fully with it
“Just spawn SPAA bruh”
But they can’t deal with planes because of how long range their ordonance has.
“Just spawn a plane bruh”
Ok.
“PLANES ARE SO UNFAIR HOW DARE YOU SPAWN CAP I CANT KILL DEFENSELESS TANKS ANYMORE WAAAAH”
Like clockwork. CAS-mains as a species needs to be studied.
Notice how I said nothing about CAS or CAP in my post. I was simply saying I don’t like the markers for enemies and missiles in ARB, yet here you come crawling with some “CAS suffers” nonsense.
Gameplay supposed to be competitive, it is competitive when AV8b NA fight against S1, Ito 90 etc. It is not when AV8b NA vs SU27SM. Most ppl here dont understand base principles of gameplay, most ppl here very bad players also, but its so important for them to say here: “Oh just want CAS to suffer he he”.