USSR Dedicated Interceptor research line

Machinery of War Discussion
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BM depends on weapons kinda

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Most of these are massively overtiered. I mean, the Yak-28 at 10.3?? The MiG-31 is comparable to the F-14A, not F-15A!
Also some more vehicles I believe would be more appropriate for this, as they are more significant in numbers and/or more conventional
MiG-21PF: 9.0
MiG-19PM: ~8.7
MiG-23P: ~11.7

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I’d say it’s above pretty much purely on the R-37M, with triple the range and double the speed of an AIM-120B, while having superior maneuverability. But that’s pretty much all the BM really has, it’s in a weird spot and I wouldn’t expect it anytime soon, unlike the standard Foxhound, the B, and perhaps even the M.

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Against 37M better to add 120D/AIM-174

Too early now

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No other country really has an equivalent to the 37M, it’s the longest-range and fastest AAM in the world by a large margin. I think the AIM-260 is probably the closest in terms of performance, but I’m not really en expert that.

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Base MiG-31 doesn’t have any active radar homing missiles, also I’m pretty sure all models of the MiG-31 have only 18 countermeasures.

I’m going to expand on aircraft in the tree, I was thinking about throwing in some motorjet style aircraft for the lower half of the branch.

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BM’s most advanced weapons are R-73s which have been used by Mig-31 since Mig-31M, and R-77s.
R-37M wouldn’t be added cause that’s a stealth-era missile and Gaijin would likely avoid Mig-31 facing stealth aircraft.

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R-37M’s range is 200km.

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174 pretty near, maybe superior in case of range and maneuvrability

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The Chinese have something similar, PL-15/17, the Meteor also for European nations

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400km, 200km is the standard R-37’s range, and the downgraded RVV-BD’s
In essence the RVV-BD is the R-37M without its booster, making it aerodynamically the same as the R-37 but with an improved seeker.

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Not in terms or range, from what I understand the AIM-174 lacks the booster of the RIM-174 and is somewhere around 240km range. So the difference is comparable to the R-37 vs the 37M. But I’m also not very familiar with the missile so I could be wrong.

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The PL-15 and Meteor are more like AIM-120D, lighter and shorter ranged. The PL-17 is comparable to the R-37M though. The problem really raises that the JATM and PL-17 are on more versatile capable vehicles than the MiG-31. Unless Gaijin pulls an F-14 and only gives a single country a weapon of this class, the MiG-31BM still won’t be added for a long time, and won’t be top tier by the time it is.

Plus that’s only 3 countries. While many NATO members are probably going to purchase JATMs and Japan has their own missile program, that still leaves several nations that probably won’t have a similar missile, possibly ever.

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according to the suggestion post its more like 48 countermeasures (x4 of the 12-flare/chaff launchers seen on the MiG-23M)

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Not bad but we’d probably see a trimmed down version of this line in game, a lot of these aircraft are far too specialized to ever really be of much use in current gameplay.

One interceptor you didn’t list that could be of good use is the MiG-23P. An interceptor variant of the MiG-23, based on the MiG-23ML, modified with:

  • Removal of the IRST system
  • N006 Sapfir-23P LD/SD radar meant to detect fast, low-flying aircraft such as the F-111
  • ASP-23ML-P HUD and gunsight that works with the new radar
  • Wasn’t able to confirm if it had countermeasures or no (probably not as it was a specialized interceptor) - but it could easily be made to carry the same countermeasure as the ML
  • Most likely never carried any ground ordinance whatsoever
  • Same missile load as we’re used to in the MiG-23ML/A/D

Given all that, I can see a potential interceptor line in game being something like this:

  • Yak-28P
  • Su-15T
  • Su-15TM
  • MiG-23P
  • MiG-31
  • MiG-31BM
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Lacks of booster, but you can launch it from 25kft and mach 1+
Btw, retiring tomcat was a mistake

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So, wear just nothing?
IRL ML even lack of 12 countermeasures

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I would personally add the mig 25 pds in that list, it is probably the mig 25 that could fit better in game.

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That range is achieved from Ground Launching, in case of Launching from plane at Mach1 range is significantly higher, its superior to R37M.

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True.