Yeah that’s what i meant when you said send a video, people already did but they respond with “We don’t think” “We don’t know” “We’re not sure”, that’s their way of saying Nah cry about it.
Bro
If only you knew
If only you knew man istg you would be even more disgusted.
To put this in perspective
Go look at the model of the TKX
You see how modeled that is? How much detail there is?
What if I told you everything about that tank is incorrect. What if I told you gaijin was handed over 1,200 pages from the JSDF and Mitsubishi heavy industries LTD and they still got nothing right.
To put this into even more perspective the type 10 and TKX are smaller width wise than the T-90 and same width as the T-72 and same length almost as T-90 yet only being taller than those 2
Yet in game depicted as being almost as big as the leopard lmao. They even got that wrong and were handed the documents for kt
That’s literally how every tank in the game other than the Russian ground being modeled incorrectly.
Just like the Merkava being twice the size of a t72 but having less armor.
Fuel tanks do one of two things; eat the round entirely whilst setting on fire and acting like bloody composite armour, or detonating catastrophically removing the vehicle from the corporeal realm. There’s not really an in-between.
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Except merkava does have less armor
It’s not unprotected it’s just not meant for this type of warfare.
At most they’ll face T-55’a or maybe just maybe T-62’s
Not modern day tanks. Merkava was made for a particular mission (which outside of the type 10 and TKX and if you want to argue armata fine) which is the reason its the best tank IRL
The tank was made for their environment
To go against the weapons they will face over there. Hence why it doesn’t have a lot of kinetic protection but a ton of heat and tandem shaped protection
This is also why the engine is in the front because unlike kinetic rounds HEAT and tandem will have a hard time just going through the block of an engine.
It fits its mission the best. This is also why I believe they shouldn’t have ever added Israel to the game. Cause to bring it to top tier you’d have to make it unrealistic and to do a job it was not designed to do. It doesn’t fit in warthunder but you get what you get. If they fixed the merkava you’d get at most 400mm of kinetic round protection on the turret cheeks and that’s it. So we can’t complain there
So remove both and we can all be happy
Also the reason why the T-72’s are so well armored is simply due to 2 things
1 their composite just works
2nd any slack the composite has in protection is made up for by the ERA. Which they weren’t the ones who created it, they were the ones who pioneered it and made it is what it is today.
It’s actually ingenious how Russian ERA works. To put this in perspective, to only get a boost of 50mm of protection the Ukrainians had to double if not triple the explosive mass in their ERA
Meanwhile relikt is only 50mm less in protection against kinetic yet is way lighter than the Ukrainian counterpart. (More explosive mass is not the answer cause it can lead to hull integrity issues when struck)
The idea of t72’s are more armored than Merkava is a dumb idea ngl, twice the size and twice the weight means that the tank is more armored.
This is a picture of the side of the tank, imagine the front.
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I would support this if this was to be done by anyone but gaijin as it will 100% be used to nerf vehicles violently and make soviet kit super strong
Not saying i disagree (I agree that Merkava is way better protected than T-72) but to be fair the Tiger 1 is heavier than a T-72 doesn’t make it better armored
So you don’t agree that the Merkava is more protected than T72.
Except it’s not
The leopards arrowhead (while being mostly empty mind you)
Adds on about a ton or 2 of additional weight
If you have photos of their actually being any armor in there then I’d be happy to retract my statement
Also the chassis is also what causes the weight to go up as well. The bigger the chassis the more weight you have and that’s long before even the smallest bit of composite gets added
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No. I just pointed it out because I thought it was funny. I agree with you. Sorry if there was confusion.
I don’t know about other nations but the fuel tank on the C2s are exterior. When hit they catch fire which u have to wait until it stop or extinguishes automatically. You can’t repair or reload until it’s out which is kind of stupid especially since you don’t have control over it.
You can, simply by checking this bug report.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/1eYOWMuJWJ3n
Also the tank was said to be 80 tons not 65 like the one ingame.
activation/excitement of the energetic material (e.g. upon striking by shaped-charge warhead) the jet energizes the armor, where a vast energy discharge occurs so that within microseconds the discharged gases accelerate the metal plates and displaces them away from one another thus disrupting/defeating the jet, thereby loosing its energy to penetrate the protected enclosure
This is for ERA not what the merkava has. Which again doesn’t shock me considering Israel has been known to make ERA. However the mk.4m does not have this. On top of that this ERA places an emphasis and the entire thing places and emphasis on chemical munitions not KE munitions.
This picture shows the hull of the MK.4 being mostly empty space
(The turret cheeks which I never claimed to be otherwise) seem decently protected
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If it can withstand Kornet missiles to the hull and the turret and it’s still seems decently protected to you, then i don’t know if you’re serious at this point.
It could though is the thing. It should anyway that’s what it was designed for. It should at least have that going for it
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What was the refinement of the diesel
(Diesel back then is not diesel today)
What used to make it
What was its flashpoint
Something else to consider
The rounds they used had explosive fillers
The amount of diesel in the tanks matters a lot. Also how the germans got diesel in late war Germany is also questionable.
Again there’s so much data missing from the report that the report itself is able to be dismissed.
To get detonation you need to know everything about the fuel
How it’s made
Where it was refined
What its contents were and their %’s
How much was in the tank
How big the container was
What impurities the diesel had
How big the open compartment for the crew is
Basically everything that is needed to determine the legitimacy of this report is not there.
“I shot HEAT rounds at Soviet diesel container with an unknown quantity of actual diesel in it and it explode” does not equal a reliable source.
If you can back up a modern day source that gives us an actual report on this then please do so. If you can explain why every nation for modern day vehicles use diesel over every other option please do so.
I can answer that last bit
Gas isn’t as efficient
It’s highly flammable
HP isn’t an issue with diesels as diesel technology has caught up with the modern day standards (if engine designers wanted to throw out some fuel efficiency they can easily throw a dual or quad turbo setup for a 2,000+ reliable HP build out of opposed piston diesel engines)
And they make just as much if not more HP than gas or turbine engines for the same weight
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