Hello everyone. I would like to know about the possibility or impossibility of using BRom aircraft above 7.0 in naval battles (of all types). I play for France and I have Etendard and Super Etendard, carrier-based aircraft with good weapons, and I would like to use them against players’ ships, and before that I heard somewhere about the use of A-4B in naval battles with AGM, if I’m not mistaken. Is this even possible outside the training room?\Здравия всем. Хочется узнать о возможности или невозможности использования самолетов БРом выше 7.0 в морских сражениях (всех видов). Играю за Францию и есть у меня Etendard и Super Etendard, палубные самолеты с неплохим вооружением и хотелось бы его применить против кораблей игроков, а до этого где-то слышал о применении A-4B в морских боях с AGM если не ошибаюсь. Это вообще возможно вне тренировочной комнаты?
Not sure how a skyhawk could be used unless in a custom battle or some wacky AB MM, but I’m down for more cold war aircraft being used in NF modes especially at 7.0.
I know in the main modes you can use a 7.3 aircraft if you’ve got a 7.0 ship but I’m not sure for EC.
I’d like to see more navalized jets like a Yakovlev Yak-38 or some more bombers like the Tupolev Tu-14T for the memes (I’m a visionary in that I wanna drop a torpedo from a jet against ships, even if I get shot down for the lolz) or the English Electric Cookiebarra (Canberra B Mk. 2 with two Blockbuster 4000lb HC “cookies”) It saddens me that when the Avro Lancaster got the other HC bombs they removed the ability to carry two 4000lb bombs as that was my main antishipping loadout against dreadnoughts/battleships (also it was the Avro Cookiecaster heh).
Add in that separate BR’s ARE a thing this could see further jets added, but at this point they’re a pipe dream since the devs still haven’t done anything sub to 9.7 BR aircraft (RB wise), I really wonder when they’ll do anything similar again as what they did only really effected GF modes & sid sweet piss all for struggling aircraft in AF modes.
I think (in the short term) since Gaijin mostly wants Naval to be WW2 that if anything the separate BRs would be tweaked to limit jets out of Naval, not to include them.
I’m not opposed to the idea of having more jets in Naval… once there are more Cold War ships to oppose them.
Nothing can happen until they implement separate BR’s for aircraft in Naval like they have done so for GRB.
Until that happens the naval tech tree can’t be de-compressed and so 7.0 ships and 7.3 planes are all there can be.
I don’t think this is true - there are already plenty of post WW2 boats and ships in play.
The problem for higher BR air is even Gaijin recognise that jets vs WW1 dreadnoughts is a step too far.
Naval BR extend is the only solution, but I must said that at least 7.0-8.0 BR planes are not so op for the Naval, especially for those BBs
7.0 is the limit. I do wish that I could bring late 1950s aircraft as the maximum tho
Maybe impression for aircraft would be very different depend on AB and RB.
In RB aircrafts are totally useless now, ealry jets will be no threat to WW1 dreadnoughts for now except for iL-28 and British Canberra.
Why would early jets be no threat to WW1 Dreadnoughts?
bomb is too weak. Currently we need at least 1 ton or 2000 lb bombs to give critical damage to battleship, and some of toughest ships even bounce those bombs.
This is only for the direct hit, when we consider near miss, limit got increased to at least TNT filler 1 ton.
Now, lets find early jet who has 1 ton or 2000 lb plus bombs.
Only F-84F, Ar234s, A-4s, Canberra B Mark 2, Tu-4 and iL-28 left.
And for TNT filler 1 ton+, only Canberra B Mark 2, Tu-4 and iL-28 left. And all these bombers are giant and have enormous speed limit.
I don’t think aircraft bombs are going to be huge threat to battleships until they met LGB based on 2000 lb + bombs.
2 x 1000 lb (or 3 in some cases - F6’s, Wyvern and some others) can easily kill WW1 era dreadnoughts because they have relatively weak deck armour.
“mostly” exactly. We already have post war boats, we need modern planes too perhaps
If they make direct hit on deck, which is extremely difficult in realistic battle.
With no AA (unless on neighbouring ships) any isolated WW1 era BB’s are easy to hit - aircraft can literally fly down to mast top height guaranteeing it.
- with no neighbouring ship is impossible
- There are also currently scarce to find real ‘no AA’ dreadnought, and after Gaijin buff accuracy of time fuze shells even WW1 time fuze shell can be danger to aircraft.
I find myself with “no neighboring ships” quite often especially in dreadnoughts, as they are quite slow. Also, show me a WW1 dreadnought with good AA capabilities. Time fuze shells are garbage, and no dreadnought has more than a handful of AA guns.
In addition, nearly all Japanese battleships would be sitting ducks given their 25mm AA armament which is totally ineffective against anything that isn’t flying either low or slow and it has terrible range. Adding higher tier jets to naval in its current state would just be a gift to people trying to grind planes. Naval is already in a delicate enough state teetering on non-existence. Let’s not make it less attractive for people who want to play ships.
Can’t wait till they add modern ships with AShM, especially Swedish with the RBS-15/15F, gives a real reason to have top tier jets in naval with viable counters.
Somhow the use of aircraft in higher tier naval battles is dead. I can’t even remember when I last encountered one and myself? I also stopped to use them. Bombs somehow don’t do damage anymore. Didn’t tried the truly big ones…but things like the 500kg or 1000kg do nothing.
Not that I dislike it, getting exploded by a P-47 or AU-1 was annoing.
Yeah, this is true. Aircraft bombs are useless compared to before, and it is not a wise choice to get out aircraft with current naval realistic battle.
Although not a real lover of CAS, but current naval realistic makes questionable about worthiness of aircraft in war thunder naval battle. Really should get some better deserve as method of game.
Well seeing B-26s shot down by Ikoma, and Lancaster at 1.8k m shot down by Marat’s 3 inch, I can’t agree with your opinion.
That’s anecdotal evidence, and if you are as close as 1800m, you are already within range to drop on the ship unless you are flying on the deck.
You’re in AB? What aircraft in RB can get close to 1800 m and have accurate shot on those altitude?
Well anecdotal? Quite common in RB.