The AMRAAM-ER isn’t an AIM-120. It’s an ESSM.
If we’re talking about the SL-AMRAAM exclusively, it uses AIM-120C-5s.
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Only in the case where Air targets fly closer to the ground. (terrain hug) that ADATS has better change with surprise attack. (heck i would even said that M247 are a lot better in this situation)
But it far greater range and higher altitude (space bomber) that THAAD and Patriot are better than ADATS. Remember How R-27ER perform ? HIMAD missiles can be better than those.
But yes due to Most HIMAD need to be deploy and corporate together as a unit. Thus they are vulnable to SEAD and pre-plan bombing from low altitude. Unless they are moving after each missiles launch.
Not to mention it dead boring to just sit there waiting for enemy to spawn Aircraft so you could do somethings.
As i said in other topic best bet is to Give HIMAD to Ai control that would force most CAS pilot to stay close to the ground where player with SHORAD vehicles have potential against them.
With somethings like Radar station on capture point that could extent it range over ground battlefield.
Also SL-AMRAAM can use AIM-9X too
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A bigger, faster missile with a lot more range and significantly larger warhead would be less potent than a slower, smaller missile?
I mean, maybe given how WT models things. But the Patriot is a far more dangerous system than the ADATs
A non-mobile system that needs constant LOS to the enemy. The advent of simple GPS/GNS guided ordnance to the game renders them entirely useless.
They’d need anywhere from 5-20 seconds of LOS on target to be able to hit an aircraft, and that’s counting on the missile being capable of maneuvering to the target.
An aircraft needs nothing more than a glance at them to drop a bomb or 6.
Germany could get this Pantsir complex, mounted on one of our MAN KAT 8x8. Even one with MRAP upgrade kit.
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the problem is that usa doesn’t really use shorad systems in its doctrine, adding patriot or thaad would only force gajin to add cruise missiles to cas , and an expansion of the map, it just gets more complicated and overall worse for everyone.
what I would do is allow israeli shorad systems like hsvd adams and sypder-aio go to the american tech tree, as the hsvd adams project worked with General dynamics(an american company), and the us gives a lot of money to israeli defense comapnies, so adding the spyder-aio or hsvd adams makes sense.
you can lock again and see that I shot at mig15 around 6km and hit target at 10km with almost with no speed to keep going for 11km or 12km the thing is it doesn’t matter if 50% longer flight time or 100% if the missile doesn’t have speed, you can simply out pull/run it and what do you mean about far more effective booster what is this the different between 120a and 120c5 is that it switch from booster sustainer to only booster that’s why it has better turn and AOA from a 23k kn for 1.7 booster/and sustainer 13k kn for 5.3 second to C5 and up only use pure booster for 7.7 second and 15.5k kn thrust that’s why the 120c5 has better pull without so much change in design apart from clapped wings it doesn’t accelerate as fast and it has better and a bit longer thrust and less drag
Someone did a test with ground launched AIM-120C and it wouldn’t even hit a maneuvering target passed 12km.
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This isn’t German though, it belongs to a middle eastern country.
As he said “maybe given how WT models things”
irl AA unit wouldn’t be alone and likely be working together as an air defend network hence “data link” tech are being use and still inuse.
So that assuming Aircraft know SAM site extact location in the first place or SAM site are the only AA unit in the area. then Aircraft would need to get close in without being detect/spot by others Radar / AA unit.
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You can’t hide from that radar aside from getting a physical object between you, depending on the interceptor they can be self guiding, and it can easily intercept any munition you sent its way……
A Patriot would be significantly more dangerous than an ADATs
The ADATS also requires constant LOS, is slower, and can be defeated by slowly barrel rolling or flying parallel to it….
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I don’t know why anyone would test this when the NASAMS launcher is to use AMRAAM-ER.
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I think you mixing the AMRAAM-ER WITH C5 the C5 has nowhere near max kill zone of 25km not even on plane going mach1.2 as I said the only arh can hit 25km from ground lunch and have kill zone of 25km is AMRAAM-ER 25km is to hit fast a manoeuvring target 50km(which is max range is for slow and drones) or afka planes in game
and you mentioned the 120D which is as you said highly likely to hit 20km on manoeuvring targets as it has 50% more range then C5
That’s not really true.
American doctrine reduced SHORAD only in the last 20 years because we were kicking the crap out of dudes with no AF and we had a finitely limited military.
Before that we had SHORAD and had several projects in development that we only shelved because the USSR fell apart And we’ve already started bringing them back now that we’ve wound down our counter insurgency mission set and are revitalizing our large scale combat operations (LSCO) focus.
There are plenty of American, or systems America uses we could add to the game, especially if they start modeling things like the dual seeker of the stinger correctly.
M6 Linebacker, Avenger, NASAMS high mobility, SLAMRAAM/CLAWS, Sgt Stout SHORAD, Mobile HAWK
Then there are several small batch specialty vehicles that exist as well. Atleast two different JLTV variants with either the 25mm or 30mm chain gun with proximity fused rounds and F&F air and ground missiles etc.
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my bad i mix that up with NASAMS
thats wild damn
if it actually there it might be good thing
all of those you suggested are either old systems or systems with stingers. America just doesn’t have top modern shorad systems anymore like it used to, adding slamraam/claw would either give 4 amraam truck with no search radar, and the claws is stationary, making it an easier target to cas. The best thing for US is to add israeli shorad systems that the us has invested into.
plz add this bad boy sl-amraam and aim9x campo is going to be deadly
and as we can see in game, we have Similar missile to aim9x which is type81c
C5 with 10to15km is not that op and you can notch and chaff it
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You may not realize this, but there have been updated versions of those trialed for the M-SHORAD program. Even if they just used the stingers, if they actually correctly modeled the dual mode seeker and IRCCM they’d be very relevant threats.
The updated M6 linebacker prototype got a 30mm M230LF with proximity rounds, and a choice of Stingers, ground launched hellfires or the AIM-9x
The Sl-AMRAAM which was integrated into the NASAMs program as the high mobility launcher has both AMRAAMs and AIM-9X’s, both of which can LOAL, or utilize datalink.
And the US military has NASAMs and the M-SHORAD, as well as the only mass produced DE SHORAD system currently afield.
So saying the US doesn’t have SHORAD, is a very incorrect, and blanket statement.
And being an old system doesn’t really mean much when the systems are BR’d by capability not age. A well modeled mobile HAWK would be a very relevant system, despite the fact that it’s older than most kids playing the game.
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