so you are saying that the democracy giver is weak?
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Yeah honestly, I haven’t really thought from this perspective. And the more I think about it, the more I agree with your suggestion.
I would rather knock out KH38s, Mavericks, GBUs, etc from the sky than knocking out planes from greater distances. What use is a plane if they can’t support the troops on the ground? Sure they can go for strafing runs but that will put them within ranges of manpads and proximity fused shells.
Having said that, I’m not too familiar with the M-Shorad’s main cannon. There are 2 variants which I’m aware of, the M230 and the M230LF (XM914, which the M-Shorad uses). What the difference between the two in terms of capabilities?
I like your name honda
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THAAD is ballistic missile defense my friend. Patriot and other systems is what you’re after.
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Because why not
Patriot is without a doubt at this moment proving through Ukraine it is better than the s400 system. This is not a remark on anything political to do with that, just that demonstrably by no means is patriot an s300 equivalent, it is a more capable s400 by missile effectiveness.
S500 is just a THAAD equivalent.
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Taking into consideration what I’ve read above. How about this:
- Give the Imp. Chaparral in the US tree the MIM-72G as the upgrades were made in the 80s (National guard units were the only ones using them at that point but meh).
2)Update ALL FIM-92K carrying vehicles to properly reflect the fact that the K version is a DATALINK capable version of the FIM-92J, this upgrade series included better programming and the addition of a Proximity fuse as proven:
Chapter 3^
- Add the missing vehicles/modifications to those vehicles:
Bradley Linebacker (DATALINK capable), AN/TWQ-1 Avenger, M1265A1 SHORAD Stryker (DATALINK capable)
OPTIONAL but possible:
Add the HAWK system with a single self propelled carrier with 3 missiles towing the tracking radar. You can use the ammo system currently implemented to give you a total of 6 missiles.
https://history.redstone.army.mil/miss-hawk.html
Reward us for successfully intercepting ATGMs, ASMs, and the like. (same payout as slapping a recon drone)
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Atleast yall have adats israel is still with chaparral
Oh wait i forgot it doesn’t have a gun which makes the machbet a 12.0 spaa
Truthfully? I would much rather have the Chappie than the ADATs, the Israeli Imp. Chaparral carries the FIM-92G as it’s upgraded missile. Basically a Sidewinder with the stingers guidance package and IRCCM.
The stingers in game are… underwhelming to say the least when trying to slap drones or small helicopters, no prox fuse (even though the K is a datalinked J unit), poor maneuvering due to improper modeling, among other “under the hood” issues.
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The problem with this is currently most of the Stinger vehicles aren’t data-link vehicles.
But I will say correctly modeling the Stinger’s seeker would be a significant improvement over current
And a poorly modeled one at that.
It’s the sad state for most of the SPAA/IADS in game.
No the patriot and thaad systems are theater defense. You are talking about an engagement envelope larger than the map. Please stop with this madness.
Close equivalent would be SLAMRAAM. even then not so much. US uses C-RAM and theater defenses and MANPADS for a lot of air defense. It leads for a real lack of need for something like a PANTSIR.
Name a single vehicle that can fill the role of the patriot in a single mobile package.
https://www.rafael.co.il/system/air-defense-spyder-family/
https://www.rafael.co.il/system/spyder-all-in-one/
only thing I could find…
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And it’s still not a patriot, huh?
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Fire rate is the main thing for War Thunder, the M230 as found on the AH-64 has an RPM of 600, the 230LF (XM914) has a fire rate of 200RPM, The M914 also has a round encoder for smart ammo(compare what is supported for the AH-64 and Sgt. Stout), uses linked belts, and has an optional dual feeding system to permit optimal target engagement instead of being forced to rely on whatever ratio was loaded in the tray in that order.
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Israeli Chaparral is legitimately useless at top tier.
Can’t lock drones whatsoever
Can’t lock helicopters beyond 1-2km (and can’t hit Heli’s with IRCM whatsoever)
Can’t lock aircraft beyond 3-5km depending on aspect, making it effectively useless against all top CAS.
Caged seeker (Like Aim-9B/D size levels of awful) so basically impossible to hit closer range targets that aren’t directly flying towards or away from you.
Super Smokey motor to let every aircraft not only know a missile is coming, but where it was fired from to perform SEAD duty.
I and many other Israeli players, have dropped Chaparral from my lineup in favour of Machbet, which is also fairly useless, but at least it has the VADS for dealing with Ka-52 rocket rushing, which chaparral is borderline defenceless against.
Even playing Chappie at its own BR, things like A-6 / A-10 just bully it with impunity.
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Sorry for my ignorance and yes now I know.