Ai wasnt used brother lots of useless research. Fun to know something other dont though. Appreciate your input
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Many people with your experience have used your exact argument, and all of them have fallen on deaf ears. Even if you provided exact numbers that somehow became declassified Gaijin probably wouldn’t change anything.
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I know brother, its unfortunate. But aye you can always play USSR if you want mindless gameplay. No hate to the USSR mains, but High Tier is stupid easy, and in the end its a game so personal feelings dont matter. I would trust an Abrams in combat before a T90. Thats just because of the personal information i know thats not available to others. Especially when we are watching whats happening in the world right now. Just wish that i could have more of a challeng when playing the USSR or France trees
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Unless some photos of the captured M1A1SAs in Ukraine come out, specifically showing their armor arrays in detail (and material composition), nothing is going to change.
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I work for a living so sorry for any typos or proof reads. Title tells you im talking about the M1A2 and later variants. No AI used to type this up, however its my first post in this forum, appreciate your feedback. Lastly, the 3BM22 does in fact penetrate all Abrams hull armor, but ill have to show you when i get home buddy
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The export armour package offered to Sweden was because the US didn’t want to export the DU armour. As there was no DU in the hull on the M1A2 it seems likely the hull armour was unchanged.
I wouldn’t call it absurd for numerous reasons:
- Fall of the Soviet Union removed the primary pacing threat from the M1 Abrams.
- Peace Dividend resulted in major budget cuts throughout the entire US military, this included cancellations of multiple M1 upgrade programs.
- Constant budget contraints prevented numerous of the proposed upgrades.
- Conflicts against non-peer adversaries required different protection solutions to be prioritized, such as belly plates, ARAT, ARAT II, TUSK, etc.
- Weight constraints prevented at least portions of the planned/proposed armour upgrades from being carried out.
Slightly doubtful.
The overall volume of the front nose plate was not increased as far as I’ve been informed, that means they’re working with fairly limited room to play with.
The Leopard 2A7V required a significant increase in hull armour volume for the massive increase in protection to be realized, it’s doubtful that the Abrams would attain such protection figures without any increase in volume.
Keep in mind that increasing the volume on the Abrams was already a proposed solution back in the early '90s:
This is also how the Swedes planned to improve the hull armour:
Spoiler
#Doubt.
As far as I’m aware 3BM-22 was not used in Desert Storm, so I don’t see how that’s relevant.
3BM-9 and 3BM-15 appear to be the primary threat projectiles during that conflict.
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Why leak documents if what they said was a “lie” as you claim… Interesting contradiction 🤨.
HE USED THE STEEL BEASTS PICTURE
Seriously though, you didn’t put a ‘My post didn’t have actual citable sources in it’ option. Pretty much everything we know debunks the notion that the M1 Abrams hull in game is ahistorical.
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… if they were scoring hits then they clearly had the ability to illuminate targets with flares (or had some degree of night vision) and were making some good shots.
Also, the guy above you just pointed out the russians had supplied them with tungsten based penetrators. Not just steel.
You were insanely rude for no reason, just disagree and move on with your life.
Go sleep dude
I did. Thanks.
Can you guys go blow up the technical data thread for the M1 so it actually gets attention from Gaijin instead of making new ones? There is a list of two dozen discrepancies with the M1 model in that thread that actually have legitimate grounds and sources to prompt change; if they were actually noticed; meanwhile we have a thread of 50 comments arguing about a steel beasts armor diagram.
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They keep crying lmao
Wasn’t the ammunition weaker than Mango (the rounds that actually start penetrating you?) I don’t even remember them reporting to have 3bm32 either.
Have fun with this
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How did the NERA get less effective lmfao… They added more and made it less effective?
Because “weight” duhhhhhhhhhhh
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Sorcery.
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And heresy.
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