bro you are actually tweaking what kind of logic is if they get 4 we get 6 ahh logic + a10c is slow so aim9m want get planes that 2km/2.5km way its not like you are f16 or 15 going 1400km to give aim9 some speed get your shit together
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Why not just give the Su-39 R-77 right? It had them IRL, among many other far more powerful weapons
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If the “later” Su-24M is more CMs, MAWS and R-73s. Then it should be higher than the Current 11.7 Tornados that lack both MAWS and IRCCM missiles.
Even if the Tornado IDSs at 11.7 get AIm-9M/Aim-9Li respectively and remain at 11.7. If the SU-24 got any more than 2x R-73s it should be a higher BR than the Tornado IDS.
Its impossible to compare at the moment which turns better, the Su-24 or the Tornado as both are “new”
Why? Tornado can utilise the missiles effectively, Su 24 would struggle. I usually respect your positions but on this you seem to be letting dislike for the kit bleed into your assessment of it. 73s are notably less competent ordnance.
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Sure, then it can move to 13.0 alongside the Sea Harrier FA2. Which is just a Sea harrier FRS1 (11.0) at 13.0
Cause those that actually enjoy these vehicles at lower BRs don’t want to be stuck using them at higher BRs.
Same reason why Su-24 should never get R-73s.
Just cause something can use a missile doesn’t mean it should when other historically accurate options exist.
You can chaff a radar missile at 11.3 with ease…
The USA mains all broke the forums over you not getting spall liners in abrams tanks.
I took a video just today of the abrams LFP not spalling :) would you like it?
I see the USA main agenda is “gun pod is dangerous unga bunga” well, a gun pod that goes up and down isn’t nearly as effective as an Aim-9m.
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I agree, due to your planes speed, you’re not boosting max missile speed.
Who said anything about more than 2 R-73s? I only ever said 2, and 2 r60s
What changes? It’s A-10.
Tornado IDS with 2x Aim-9L is 11.3 quite comfortably. Its neither underpowered or overpowered at that BR. its just right imo
Su-24 with 4x R60M looks about equal in terms of overall performance at 11.3.
It is hard for now to compare these aircraft in terms of airframe performance as they are both “new” (tornados new FM and all)
Su-24 with 2x R-73 could probably bump it to 11.7 quite easily
Tornado IDS with Aim-9Li (just to remove the complication of smokeless motor) is probably 11.7 worthy at the moment.
Su–24 with 4x R-73 could probably also bump it up further, likely 12.0. Especially if it came with major defensive buffs like MAWS and more CMs
If Su-24M has historical inaccuracies that are reasonable for the BR. Then I have no issue with their introduction. But I get the feeling that this specific Su-24M does not have all that many bells and whistles that the later one should get (much like the Tornados in that regard)
A-10C might need to be higher, it might even be under-powered. Its been 1 day and we’ll have to wait and see. Im of the opinion its a bit like the Harrier Gr7. Over BRed airframe carried by a missile that people fear more than is actually necessary.
Chaffing a Radar missile doesn’t just work… You have to notch 90 percent of the time.
Because they felt that it was unfair, which is fine. Breaking a forum is not hacking someone lol
Oh, you mean a single bug when the update just dropped today? I’ve seen the water turn black and had trap shots go over 120 degrees. Your single experience is not representative of the game’s intentional function.
Brother. You cannot be serious. No normal person is complaining about any of these vehicles. They’ve been out for less than 24 hours. I get it, you play Russia, but this is getting old. Your Su-25SM3 is still better by leagues. It has 40KM standoff range. The A-10 not only doesn’t have that range, but it also fights Pantsirs. The Su-25 doesn’t. Get a grip.
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That is not how pylons and Gaijin work…
Outside the premium A-10A, no aircraft has intentionally missing AAMs from store positions.
And that should never be precedent.
Remind me, which harrier sat uncontested at 11.7 for awhile with tons of Cms and. 4 aim 9m? Because hey, that’s fair.
Will you actually enjoy that though? If an F-4 doesn’t get you, or an F-104 for that matter, an a-10 will more than likely fly below you, click a button, and you get hit.
I think getting the 2 r-73s it has in the files will be completely fine, you don’t have the maneuvering power to engage enemies easily if at all.
The A-10C should still become at the very least, an 12.0 for Sim.
Remind me which Harrier was sat at 11.7 with only Aim-9Ls for 9 months vs F-16s and Mig-29s and then when it got Aim-9Ms it screwed it massively in sim and rendered it basically unplayable and now has a BR of 12.7 in Sim?
Meanwhile the Su-25s are still all at 11.7 with R-73s and equal defensive suites to the Harrier Gr7. Especially after the BOL pods were nerfed into oblivion with totally fake nerfs.
So Su-25s to 12.7 in Sim?
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None. Harrier GR7 got 9Ms after/same time Su-25T was added to the game.
I just did a match in my Phantom FG1 and fragged 2 A-10Cs without trouble.
And no, that’s not how AAMs work.
You want R-73s, go play the Mig-29SMT or Su-25T.
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This sounds like a lot of “I’ve been killed by this, I hate it”
But lol did you actually say chaff doesn’t work on radar guided aams?
No, they actually threatened gaijin employees with hacking and lighting houses on fire if I remember correctly. Similarly with what happened with the whole “F-18A” controversy.
Yes that abrams bug has been around for years. The relevance that I took a vid of it today, has nothing to do with it.
“My single experience” nope, happens rather often. Was pretty baffled shooting the LfP on the 10.3 abrams lower with the obj 292 didnt spall at all.
Your right, the Pansir is great… if they go in a straight line, the targeting speed leaves much to be desired. The 2S6 actually has a higher targeting speed.
I’ve only told you facts. The Su-25SM3 does not have a single ground based AA to challenge it. The only good Anti-Air in the game is the Pantsir, which happens to also be Russian. That’s not personal opinion, it’s actually fact. Most AA have a limit between 8 to 12KM of range. The Pantsir has 18KM while having more missiles and guns than everything else. It’s the best AA in the game by far.
No, it really doesn’t. Sure, it might work on earlier missiles, but any competent Radar guided missile at 11.3 won’t miss an A-10C flying in a straight line. If the A-10C is dodging, it will evade the missile just like any other jet. That’s not overpowered, it’s called notching lmao.
Gonna need a source on that. Also, making a generalized statement about all US mains like that isn’t just deceptive, it’s kind of disgusting.
It’s not an Abrams bug lol. It happens to literally every vehicle in the game. I’ve had Leopards, T-80, T-72, and even Bulldogs do it. It’s not the Abrams, it’s the game being wack.
That’s laughable seeing as the 2S6 is better than even the ADATS in many situations, which is found an entire BR lower. They were the same BR at one point for a reason, but gaijin thinks the 2S6 is equal to a Roland, which is absurd.
If you genuinely believe the Pantsir isn’t the best AA in the game, I have no words for you. You’re clearly beyond reason.
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The harrier can out maneuver an Su-25… I cannot say I see a single valid point here.
It was the Harrier GR7, the only reason I know, is because I was spading the Mig-23M, and brought my MLD, and 11.7 top in sim, I saw and was defeated by the harrier gr7 time and time again using aim-9m.
Chaff:
Chaff is a radar countermeasure that works by creating a cloud of thin strips of metal, plastic, or glass fiber that are released from a plane or ship to confuse enemy radar.
Chaff definitely works.
So an aircraft that is notably slower than you and doesnt have a radar, managed to get mutliple rear-aspect shots with Aim-9M and now you consider Aim-9M an OP Missile?
By the sounds of it, you would have died even if the Harrier Gr7 has nothing but Aim-9Bs. Heck Ive beaten enough soviet pilots in the Sea Harrier FA2 or Harrier Gr7 using guns to know that the average Soviet pilot has no idea how to fight a Harrier.
If you are trying to dogfight a harrier in a low and slow combat, you will loose. Even a Harrier Gr1 will beat a Mig-23ML in that regime (I know, I use to do it all the time before we got the new sim brackets)
If you are trying to turn fight something like the A-10C or Harrier Gr7 in aircraft not suited for low and slow combat like a Mig-23 or Su-24. Then I think you need to change tactics and not beg for major buffs for aircraft that are perfectly fine at their current BR
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