No, they don’t. But they should have, and the su24m2 should have come at 11.7 alongside that change.
No they dont, but they should.
There are 2 set of Tornado IDS those at 11.3 and those at 11.7. The only idfference. Some have a tpod and GBUs the others dont.
Thats it. No other differences. The 11.7 Tornado IDS (A200A, Gr1 and ASSTA1) should probably get something that justifys them being 11.7 and not 11.3
(The Tornado F3 AOP at 13.3 does have Aim-9M)
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AH Mk1 Apache.
Either use this as a lesson for the future not to make broad statements, or something else.
Just don’t extend the goalposts just cause your previous posts may not have portrayed your
This is no where close to a new feature. Tornado IDS can do this:
NATO aircraft had this since at least 2022.
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That is a helicoper… not a plane…
Do I need to explain the difference between a plane and a helicopter. Especially within the context of an air sim thread?
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With a bad pilot, they do both go spinny though.
Ground radar is useless in air sim in general but I never mentioned that, and you didn’t either cause I thought it would’ve been obvious to you as it was me.
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Please read the full sentence. Locking onto an aircraft in the Torando to give radar gunsight corrections pings the targets RWR. They will be alerted to your presence.
Locking the Tpod onto a target does not alert them and only alerts LWS if they have it (which is rare) and only if the laser is active.
You could come up behind an aircraft in the Su-24. Lock the Tpod onto target and then fire the gimballed gunpod and destroy them without ever alerting them to your presence.
Doesnt matter. Many aircraft should have ground radar. It being denied to them for "reasons " is just BS.
Irrcm missiles below 11.7 is a travesty. In strike aircraft that’s not too bad. But the a-10C has 4 aim-9m vs say a Su-39 with 2 r-73 and in the r-73 is a dogfight missile not a “I’ll hit you without knowing missile”
I hold the position the A10 should be 12.0 if we’re comparing it to a harrier. Thing gets Ms with minimal sacrifice of ordnance, compared to a gr7 that gets only some Ms if it doesn’t want to sacrifice a2g ordnance.
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Look at the screenshot, that’s a targeting pod lock… unless you mistook a Tornado for an Su-24…
Thanks for proving my post correct.
Tornado IDS is December 20th 2022 BTW.
I did not know that Tpod lock provided the same functionality of a radar lock. Though Id ocnsider that a bug actually.
I have NEVER used a tpod on the Tornado Gr1 in Sim because its a useless tool. it does not work on all aircraft only aircraft with a radar gunsight. Harrier Gr7 it does not work
Congratulations. The Mig-27K was added in December 2021 and is probably the closest equal we had to the Tornado until the F-111A or Su-24M were added. and the Mig-29 was added in the same update as the Tornado IDS (and back then The tornado IDS had to exclusively fight the Mig-29 and only had 56 CMs, a bad RWR and an even worse FM than the placeholder FM we only just replaced.)
The point still stands though. Su-24M is perfectly placed at 11.3. The Gimballed gunpod has the potential to be very effective against aircraft as its basically built in aimbot
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27K did not have T-Pod lock with gun lead then and still doesn’t.
Su-25T was Soviet’s first, after France, Germany, USA, etc.
“Has potential” is it as potential as an Aim-9m? And the gimbal is only up and down last I saw.
Also, no, the F-16A also came out with the Mig-29, (update Apex predators), another update where the USA tree got the most aircraft. so no, it wasn’t the “Russian bias” that got you, because in that same update, r-60Ms got nerfed very badly, making them eat flares instead of an after burning engine at 1200 degrees
R-60M fired from a supersonic platform is WAY more powerful than an Aim-9M fired from an especially slow Sub-sonic aircraft like the A-10. Not just in range, but positioning.
Also. I dont know why you are obsessed with loadouts. You wont be winning any dogfights in the Su-24M even if you had R-74Ms.
So did Aim-9Ls. They went from ignoring flares like they should IRL. To going for a flare no matter what.
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Uh no. In game you can sit at 5k meters, and an a10c (now with aim-9m) can pull up from his 800 meter position, fire 1 aim-9m, and go back to whatever he was doing. I’ve seen this happen with the F-16c, different aircraft, same maneuver/ missile.
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Nobody in their right mind would. It’s more boom and zoom like an F-4s
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Did they now? Because Aim-9Ls still out preform R-60s greatly in flare resistance, and no, please show me any information where your claim of “They went from ignoring flares like they should IRL”, because that is fabricated.
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Hate to disagree, but from dev server, it was entirely competent. Far more competent than any R60 I’ve used in recent memory. Regardless, the focus on it being subsonic platform ignores the fact they are still 9Ms, and should serve the purpose of defense rather than offense as you seem particularly inclined towards focusing on. They are exceptional defensive tools. Still decent threat range, and good enough to engage things with their irritating flare rejection functioning if you fly appropriately.
This is only a slight exaggeration. They were quite good at rejecting flares IRL, and at present due to how Gaijin seem intent on modeling tracking, they are quite abysmal.
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Couldn’t be any worse than any Russian missile. I think my hit ratio with r60s are 1:3 in ideal conditions. Meanwhile, flared, and even sometimes pre-flared 9Ls get me with 30% throttle.
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1:5 is closer to the 9L, with their current state. Although there is always the exception it just won’t let you go, which seems to happen primarily with harriers.
A-10C is dead on arrival.
It’s almost the same as A-10A.
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