No question A10 is over preforming. Made great use of the HMD which it shouldn’t be able to slave.
That being said the 1 9M didn’t look like the seeker was turning off which makes me wonder if the 9Ms need a bug report aswell.
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People will say sim is different … and it is, it’s even better, because the IFF ;)
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IFF, and smokeless aams that nobody can see
Yup, pretty much what I’ve said over and over. A-10C breaks the whole 11.3 bracket, 11.7 bracket… poor 10.7 & 10.3 bracket
Btw who’s the YouTuber?
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This is sim. Dont play 10.3 or 10.7 aircraft in full uptiers then.
I dont play the Sea Harrier FRS1e (10.7) because its DOA vs the Mig-23ML (11.7)
(Heck the Sea Harrier FRS1 (11.3) is DOA vs the Mig-23ML (11.7) at the moment)
(edit: Mig-23ML finally has the correct BR, missed that but point still somewhat stands )
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Sim or RB there’s always someone playing a full down tiered plane, because they need to grind it.
At this point, what do you actually have to argue? Speed? And speed alone? It’s only 200 mph slower than its counter part, at a lower br currently than its counter part.
Grind another thing, or suffer XD
It is faster to grind new vehicles via the spade bonus you get than it is just pure grinding I find.
Depends on how good that vehicle is.
A-10C should be 11.7 .it should be the same BR as the Su-39s. On balance, its equal in most respects. But using the argument “my poor 10.3 is going to suffer” in a gamemode where uptiers are purely optional. Is just a bad argument.
RB is different, and i barely play RB so im not really going to comment on its placement within that gamemode. But I think if anything, its worse in RB than SB notably and 11.7 would be pushing it a bit (BUT… +/- 1 BRs do need to be considered and for that reason alone, it should be a higher BR in RB as well. Likely 11.7, though so should the Su-25BM)
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10% extra if you die a lot, it’s not worth it, you have less RP at the end
When grinding the Sea Harrier FA2 (13.0) I went back and spaded a number of aircraft I previously didnt finish spading such as the Javelin (8.3), Jaguar IS (11.0) and Buc S2B (10.3) (BRs from before decompress)
Unless you are telling me that the soviets have no aircraft lower than 10.3 and thus are always forced to play uptier. There is always something else you could play.
Did you watch the video that guy posted? He went uncontested the whole time. 12.0 is a well balanced Br for that plane, because, if not, HUNDREDS of planes need buffs, which is unnecessary, the A-10C itself is the problem.
The Su-39 is still worse than the A-10C, at a higher br, try to not be biased in the comment your going to post after this.
What’s good in what plane, su-39 vs. a-10c
Su-39: speed, ircm (kinda useless unless something doesn’t have all aspect ir aams), radar (but no R-77 to use the radar), x192 cms. Better plane construction.
A-10C: turn speed, better visibility, energy retention, ammo count, armament count, thermal, IFF HMD (which is better than the radar the Su-39 has as it doesn’t ping enemy rwr, x480 Cms, Aim-9M (and 4 of them, not 2), bigger bombs, MAW, better pilot armor.
I’m sure I’m missing some on the A-10C, but HOW IN YOUR MIND, CAN THESE BE THE SAME BR??
Christ the Su-25SM3 is a 12.3 with half the aams.
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atp i’ve given up on gaijin to implement proper br’s
we just have to deal the cards we are dealt with
Yes, but at least being honest and saying the true here, not lying because you are a USA main, and you wanna USA to be OP
Not if enough people like this the whole thread & share it.
this should be 11.7 and not 11.3
Anyone that thinks that the A-10C should be at 11.3 probably suffers from a major case of skill issues.
The idea that a dedicated close air support aircraft should be the best fighter at 11.3 is extremely silly. And this plane right now is in-effect one of the best fighter aircraft due to being extremely difficult to kill due to MAWS and the number of countermeasures. On top of that…it is one of the best equipped for killing other aircraft due to the 4 Aim-9M and HMD + Datalink IFF.
I already have 125 kills in the plane…and all of them except for maybe 10 of them are players. I haven’t even played it during the 10.3 - 11.3 bracket day. I have also destroyed an equal number of ground targets. You want to know what the biggest threat to this plane is? SIDAM 25 and Gepard. A solid 50% of my deaths are probably from ground based AA.
I have even taken the plane into a 13.0 mixed lobby…the worst case scenario this plane would face if it was 12.0BR…guess what? I ended up with 16 kills for 5 deaths while fighting F-16A, MiG-29, F-14s, and Mirage 2000s in a crowded lobby on a small map. MAWS + HMD w/IFF + Aim-9M is still an extremely viable combination. And the fact that the A-10 is kind of a blessing because it means that hugging terrain and multi-pathing radar missiles is a lot more consistent.
The HMD IFF is a really big deal when using the plane to ambush fighters because you can tell who’s who if you see a dogfight. It means that the range where you can be effective with the Aim-9M is a good bit longer because you don’t necessarily have to get close enough to avoid fratricide.
Even at 13.0BR…the A-10 is still a good airframe and it has a pretty decent chance in a dogfight against even the F-16A when flown by the average sim player. And the Aim-9M gives it a very good capability to counter-attack players that are trying to use their speed against it or using boom and zoom tactics.
Most of the people that are arguing that the A-10C is balanced at 11.3 because “it’s slow” don’t really understand the implications of having what amounts to a bunch of SAM sites just roving the map. This things presence amongst gun fighting planes and planes with low flare counts means that everyone has to be very paranoid about getting into any prolonged dogfights…not just with the A-10 specifically…but any peer plane in the game. Say for instance an F-5 and MiG-21 get into a dogfight…well the MiG-21 has to win that fight extremely quickly or run the risk of being third partied by Aim-9M.
A lot of the planes at this tier really don’t have the flare count to “just flare bro” and try to continuously shut down the seeker of the Aim-9M. And most planes at this tier do not have good radars or good radar missiles to engage each other from stand-off ranges. The A-10C does not belong in a meta-game that is largely close range kills with IR missiles or guns with planes that have poor situational awareness. Shoving a bunch of IRCCM missiles on a plane that nearly automatically defeats all non-IRCCM missiles that are launched at it is a recipe for disaster and is going to make another BR range that is effectively unplayable for a sizeable portion of the player-base.
And before anyone says that the A-10C will suffer at a higher BR because early 4th Gen fighters can do everything better…that really is not the case for the average sim player. In the games that I have played at 13.0 I have been able to consistently get gun kills on pretty much every player that has decided to dogfight me.
Yes…the F-16AJ can and should win the fight against the A-10…and it will if a player knows how to play energy and turn rate while also not flying into Aim-9 aspect. 99.9% of sim players are nowhere near that level of competency though…and even amongst dedicated sim players this plane can be very annoying to deal with in a fight. And regardless of the tier…this thing is equally annoying as a 3rd party.
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I get what you’re saying. But if 99% of players you are killing can’t kill you because they don’t know what they are doing in an F-16 which has arguably a better A-A loadout. You essentially said i am in a lobby of lemons watch what i can do with the A-10 with it’s current brokenness. I agree the 10C should go up but only to 11.7 aswell as remove it’s aim9 slaving.
Facts^
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