Su-24M has nothing other tech trees don’t have.
Useless radar is normal; emphasis on useless as there’s no IFF.
My bad, I skimmed it as I assumed there’d be yanks sooking in the thread.
These are only ahistorical on this model. The second modernisation did have these things and frankly it is what we should have got at 11.7 (with nadoes getting 9Ms) instead of what we ended up with. As it stands, it is an ahistorical hybrid of the 2 standards. Some of the ordnance this thing got it shouldn’t have got, and would have only been historical on the M2 standard.
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Ground radar and gimballed gunpod are entirely unique to the soviet TT. Several nations currently also lack GPS guided bombs.
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Oh, there is. Didn’t argue that. But the Russians suffer the least from Gaijin’s overwhelming insistence to make the yanks happier. They do get screwed, but other folk get screwed a lot harder.
Ground radar is not unique to Soviets.
USA, Britain, Germany, China, Israel, Japan, anything else I’m missing all have ground radars.
Gimbling gunpods is a gimmick for War Thunder as there’s no infantry to shoot at.
Id consider US and USSR about equal on the hand holding. Yes F-15C is way better than the Su-27SM at the moment, but the Mig-29 was way better than the F-16 and launch and Mig-23MLD dominated for ages. Its the other 8 nations that suffer
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No British aircraft has ground radar… Period…
Cant comment on everyone first hand. But as far as I am aware, none do.
It can lock onto planes and unlike radar lock for the Tornados radar gunsight for example. Would give no RWR warnings. If you came up behind something like an A-10, it would have no idea you were even there and then its point and shoot
Hence “they suffer the least”. They’re treated pretty well all things considered, but a lot of the FMs are pretty odd compared to available information, and usually after the yanks sooked. Especially recently. But definitely not enough to sook about compared to everyone else.
Also there is Ground tracking on the British mig 21, just for record.
Wait tornadoes got aim-9M now? I’m never playing Sim again…
I forgot about the Bigmac. But I actively pretend it doesnt exist.
Especially when you consider aircraft like the Tornados and Gripen are missing their ground search radars
Sad Sweden player noises.
They didn’t even give us the glide bombs that would have resolved the limited strikes Gripen can conduct per sortie in game at the moment.
No, they don’t. But they should have, and the su24m2 should have come at 11.7 alongside that change.
No they dont, but they should.
There are 2 set of Tornado IDS those at 11.3 and those at 11.7. The only idfference. Some have a tpod and GBUs the others dont.
Thats it. No other differences. The 11.7 Tornado IDS (A200A, Gr1 and ASSTA1) should probably get something that justifys them being 11.7 and not 11.3
(The Tornado F3 AOP at 13.3 does have Aim-9M)
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AH Mk1 Apache.
Either use this as a lesson for the future not to make broad statements, or something else.
Just don’t extend the goalposts just cause your previous posts may not have portrayed your
This is no where close to a new feature. Tornado IDS can do this:
NATO aircraft had this since at least 2022.
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That is a helicoper… not a plane…
Do I need to explain the difference between a plane and a helicopter. Especially within the context of an air sim thread?
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With a bad pilot, they do both go spinny though.
Ground radar is useless in air sim in general but I never mentioned that, and you didn’t either cause I thought it would’ve been obvious to you as it was me.
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Please read the full sentence. Locking onto an aircraft in the Torando to give radar gunsight corrections pings the targets RWR. They will be alerted to your presence.
Locking the Tpod onto a target does not alert them and only alerts LWS if they have it (which is rare) and only if the laser is active.
You could come up behind an aircraft in the Su-24. Lock the Tpod onto target and then fire the gimballed gunpod and destroy them without ever alerting them to your presence.
Doesnt matter. Many aircraft should have ground radar. It being denied to them for "reasons " is just BS.
Irrcm missiles below 11.7 is a travesty. In strike aircraft that’s not too bad. But the a-10C has 4 aim-9m vs say a Su-39 with 2 r-73 and in the r-73 is a dogfight missile not a “I’ll hit you without knowing missile”