USA A-10C bias needs to be 12.0 to be “fair”

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If I recall correctly. The F-14A and Tornado ADV the direct counters to the Mig-23MLD were both placed at 11.7. This meant they were uptiered to the 12.0 brackets for all of 2023. The Mig-23mLD was at 11.3 and enjoyed downtiers. In those brackets it dominated. So the F-14A only saw the Mig-23MLD between its introduction and December.

It has only been since the new brackets added at the start of the year that the F-14A or Tornado ADV can even see the Mig-23MLD again and they are still a higher BR than the Mig-23MLD meaning that there are brackets where the Mig-23MLD is one of the strongest airframes in the lobby because its at 11.7 and airframes like the Tornado ADV. F-14A and F-4S are all above it.

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Talking about range, these have further range then Vikhirs, very good for anti heli.

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You’ve barely got 6k games played did you even play during the introduction of helis

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That is far better protection than most aircraft have at the moment.

And? R-73s are still WAY better than Aim-9Ls

Aim-9Ms might have an advantage of smokeless motor. But if we are handing out R-73s to supersonic aircraft at 11.3/11.7 then Aim-9Li should also be handed out

Su-39 has 2x8. Thats 16.

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Was dogfighting reasonably well. Only reason I knew he was damaged at all was because of the crit messages I got

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There were 3 helis in pve everyone used, KA-50, Tiger UHT, and the Apache, but everyone in the KA-50s were usually firing all their Vikhirs at one another to dominate the other Ka-50

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Wouldn’t say they’re great against anything that moves significantly since its still just a guided rocket it doesn’t maneuver too much

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Im gonna need proof on that ive never had my Su-25 tank more than one missile and even then thats rare

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Go fly a Su-39, look out the cockpit, you CANNOT see anything, your RWR is the saving grace if anything. But the ircm is negated by irrcm missiles, which MANY aircraft have, just be side face, easy kill.

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True

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Yeah almost like the were the only real threat?

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I wish I had gotten a clip of it. But AMD keeps resetting my ReLive settings and I couldnt be bothered to go Replay spelunking. I usually capture clips of that. I have one of an F-20 taking a direct hit from a Magic II and literally taking no damage at all.

So you might not believe me. But it was genuinely insane. Su-25 airframes can shrug off abuse most aircraft just cannot.

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Are you dense?
Ka-50 fights Ka-50
Apache fights Tiger UHT.

Blame gaijin for that, not the helicopter

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Do thermals and laser rangefinders and laser warning systems dictate br levels in ground vehicles?
Gaijin dont balance on soft abilities.
Otherwise the Sprut 2S25 with Gen 3 thermals would not be the same BR as light tanks with Gen 1 or Gen 2 thermals.

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Not really you could just hide behind a mountain i did that on afghan all the time, against a UHT you cant even return fire because he has FNF

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No it was KA-50 shoots what ever it sees. They would focus KA-50s cause if they didn’t they would get clapped by another KA

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I could find you a clip of me hitting an AH-1G with 2 r-60s and I got a “crit hit” but he kept flying and killed 5 people, including me, as I lazed him with 12.7

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No they are not?

IRCCM missiles are still defeated by IRCM.

cockpit visibily looks equal to most Ground attack aircraft, like the Tornado or Jaguar.

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Without proximity fuse on APKWS you’d be better off with a Hellfire or Vikhr tbh, and that’s what I’m getting at.

Also, the Vikhr is dual purpose A2G and A2A due to it’s proxy fuse, you don’t sacrifice any particular capability by bringing them

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cope