“There is US bias” completely broken heli for years. “I see nothing wrong with it.”
Soviets are not neglected in game. They were dominant for years. Mig-23MLD was OP and top dog for years. R-27ER broke BVR combat and was the reason everyone started hugging the deck.
The only reason soviets are no longer dominate is because AMRAAM has leveled the playing field.
Claiming the soviets suffer is just pure cope at the moment. US and USSR get more handholding indiviually than the other 8 nations get combined.
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The mig-23 was the last time they were actually dominant since then its been NATO vehicles
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Let me put it this way. If the argument is that the Su-24M gets R-73s at 11.3 because the A-10C gets Aim-9Ms.
Then the Tornado Gr1 at 11.7 should get Aim-9Ms because the Su-39 has:
- 2x R-73s and 2x R60M
- Rear-aspect IRCM (makes you immune to rear aspect IR missiles)
- Can out turn the Tornado with ease
- (if you have skill) 16x Vikhrs missiles to also use in A2A combat
- one of the tankiest and most resistant airframes in game
- a Radar with IFF.
and its the same BR.
That it. Thats what the OP is asking for and how he is trying to buff the Su-24M to OP levels.
Quite frankly. The only reason the Su-25s are so low with their loadouts and capabilities. Especially the ones with a good radar with IFF. Is pure Dev Bias.
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The ka-50 wasn’t broken for years it got its br moved up rightfully and just became whatever the UHT was the dominant heli back then even in the old heli pvp the UHT would be shitting on everything if there was one
I disagree. But that was on gaijin, the Tiger UHT was also a beast, let’s not forget that
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Vikhrs were nerfed into oblivion a long time ago now they cant hit a stalled out biplane even if you tried.
Have you played an Su-25?? What usually happens is you get hit once and lose all your control surfaces its not like the F5C where you need to drop a nuke on it just to kill the thing.
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I watched an Su-25K I think it was survive 3x Direct hits from AAMs in an ARB match not that long ago. 2 of those were my Aim-9Ls. Finally finished it off with a long burst of 30mm ADEN canon fire.
The Su-25 airframe is the only airframe I have ever seen survive more than 1 direct hit with a missile. Seen the Odd F-20 or F-5 survive direct hits from 1 missile before, but never 2.
Heck I’ve even seen a Su-25 survive a direct hit from a Red Top before. One of the largest warhead missiles in the game. That thing was designed to blow bombers out of the sky and the Su-25 shrugged it off.
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The tiger uht was never the bain of peoples existance while annoying at times compared nothing to the KA. Hell they were the main complaint for helis surving AA missiles pushing for the interals to be added to helis.
23MLD - October 2021
F-14A - June 2022
Years?
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Ah, that reminds me that we still haven’t gotten the proximity fused APKWS. Right now there is no reason to bring them.
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The Ircm on the Su-39 is only usable in rear aspect, side aspect, it’s DOA.
The r60s almost always miss, r-73s are 50/50
16 Vikhir? You mean 12?
I hit an A-10 with 3 pansir missiles not too long ago, he went back to his AF and landed.
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IDk where you get this from since it doesnt look anything like Ka-50Sh, it doesnt get any other sights that should have thermals too.
You must’ve never seen the Tiger UHT spam.
Not much tiger spam. But a lot of KA.
The reason why the Su-25 are so low is because this is the sight you’re stuck using
Survived as in was flying perfectly fine or was it slowly falling towards the ground as the entire rear section was missing from its airframe
Dont bring the redtop into this that things just bugged as shit
If I recall correctly. The F-14A and Tornado ADV the direct counters to the Mig-23MLD were both placed at 11.7. This meant they were uptiered to the 12.0 brackets for all of 2023. The Mig-23mLD was at 11.3 and enjoyed downtiers. In those brackets it dominated. So the F-14A only saw the Mig-23MLD between its introduction and December.
It has only been since the new brackets added at the start of the year that the F-14A or Tornado ADV can even see the Mig-23MLD again and they are still a higher BR than the Mig-23MLD meaning that there are brackets where the Mig-23MLD is one of the strongest airframes in the lobby because its at 11.7 and airframes like the Tornado ADV. F-14A and F-4S are all above it.
Talking about range, these have further range then Vikhirs, very good for anti heli.
You’ve barely got 6k games played did you even play during the introduction of helis
That is far better protection than most aircraft have at the moment.
And? R-73s are still WAY better than Aim-9Ls
Aim-9Ms might have an advantage of smokeless motor. But if we are handing out R-73s to supersonic aircraft at 11.3/11.7 then Aim-9Li should also be handed out
Su-39 has 2x8. Thats 16.
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