Everyone’s favorite Russia defender defending mother Russia from my criticism. :)
You’ve never accepted my 1v1 you in Pantsir, so we know you’re bluffing.
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There are zero helicopters in War Thunder with radar AGMs, thus not the same.
Again, how would this change things when AFAIK they are radar guided and thus the AH-64D still has to be at least partially exposed? From the POV of a ground unit getting hit, 99% of the time there will be no difference to them.
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Honestly US mains at top tier complain about so much.
Abrams 120mm reload buffed to 5 seconds (based on a video!)
Great mobility, tough armour (Waaa not as good as the Leo 2A7 or the Strv 122) That’s 2 out of 10 top tier mbts have some perspective!
F-16/F-15 for CAS and its only going to get better!
Ah-64 will get Radar Hellfires at some point
ADATS is good but spawn cost is a little high
Its embarrassing how good the US have it and how many whine posts we see like this. Please try a week in France or Britain, Italy at top tier and come back and tell me how bad you all have it
As it should and most NATO tanks also.
tough armor??? what tough armor u talking about??
If modeled correctly and get its latest armor it should be better than those or atleast the same (we not including the SEPV3)
F-16C hmmm good for CAS but it has to deal with r-73 and pantsir, F15 is so bad your wings get crushed after a lil maneuver.
this will happen after 10 years.
ADATS isn’t good, US doesn’t have a TOP TIER SPAA at all.
a braindead example ngl, why would people compare US with France and Italy, it’s literally insane also if someone wanna complain about their armor not modeled right u should complain also, why stop people from asking to model their realistic armor and not get another MBT with 80’s armor.
Pretty sure the requirements to become an Abrams loader are that you can reload it that fast.
Because even if your tank isn’t as good as a Leopard 2A7 its still the 2nd 3rd best tank in the fkin game and you cry like its worthless. But yes lets buff all the tanks armour and bring back actual weakspot sniping not just point click centre mass?
Armour that bounces all but oh wait DM-53 and 3BM60. and even then I have had DM-53 bounce
F-16 has all the tools to beat a Pantsir, I manage it in Tornado GR.1 (This is a skill issue)
R-73 you have Aim9M and AIM7M you have parity especially in mixed battles.
You know it will but you keep feeling hard done by
Yep least you have a gun on your ADATS (out of interest what SAM does the US produce that’s an analogue to Pantsir?)
Modelled they wont even model other nations tanks despite reams of bug reports, one of the cash cows starts crying and Gaijin bend over backwards for you.
Implying no other nation trains loaders…
Britain lap load CR2 but Gaijin wont model that. A shot every 3.5 seconds what did Gaijin do give CR2 4 rounds in a ready rack that load at 4 seconds then after that its 6.5-7 seconds per shot.
It’s 4th best tank in the game.
It is worthless what do u see in it that make u say all this delusional stuff?
Bounces what? u mean the UFP? it does bounce sometime if the enemy just shot without thinking or aiming, but if he did u would get stomped on.
The moment u spawn in u get locked on by the Pantsir, u run to the trees u gotta deal with several Jets, and the moment u step out the trees u die, easy as it is.
R-73 is way better than the AIM-9M, it gets an advantage is the invisible launch in GRB.
Whats that gotta do with TOP TIER bombs? should i fire my gun at SU-25SM3?
That’s what i’m saying i expect that they wont.
I can see this is a waste of energy,
4th best tank out of 10+ still pretty good and that’s highly debatable, you have a 5 second reload an amazing round great mobility. Maybe top tier isn’t for you
Yep the UFP and turret cheeks can bounce
Fly higher not lower the F-16 has the kinematic performance to defeat a Pantsir and AGM-65 levels the field. Fly fast and high and then dive low before you slam an AGM-65 into them.
No its not like your view on the M1A2 its wrong, the AIM9M is the best short range IR missile in the game.
Other nations don’t have a gun on their ADATS
Because it doesn’t need buffed
There are far better options than the Maverick which could be available(but aren’t, I wonder why). Also the Pantsir can still just intercept incoming ordnance due to its gun (and the radar’s TWS capabilities) so single missiles per target aren’t a guaranteed kill.
Yep but that’s done for balance, the fact you want JASM ER or HARMS is overkill. The best way to deal with a Pantsir is to engage it when its not paying attention to you.
APKWS is a cool system, but it still wont have the range to engage Pantsir.
Many nations are missing modern A2G ordinance, Britain should have Brimstone…But doesn’t.
Yep, but then you got GBU’s what are immune to missiles, and cant be shot down. For some unknown reason.
I’ve been reading about Abrams’ UFP, and these problems of being extremely thin, for example, compared to more modern MBTs, or modernizations of old models, such as 2A7, 122B and PSO. One of the reasons given by the Army for not changing anything in this part is that in reality, the chance of a shot hitting this region is really very low. Different, for example, from LFP, which received upgrades over time, even before SepV3, but which Gaijin simply ignores. the turret ring still remains a very curious point, whether there is such a huge weak point, or it is just a detail by:Gaijin
A point that really draws attention regarding the turret ring and the cannon mask/breech is the fact that when hit in this area, the shrapnel in the Abrams simply creates a vortex and swallows everything, normally, if not killing on the first shot, causing absurdly critical damage, while if you do the same on a T-80BVM or especially a 90M, the shot simply stops at the breech, without major secondary damage. It’s as if the Abrams’ breech doesn’t have any thickness, while other tanks do, or something like that. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was something like that, since American players went through this same problem when Gaijin introduced the M60A1 and simply left it for years with a mask/breech being only 127mm even after numerous rapports, only correcting it after it stopped being a widely used vehicle
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It wasnt designed with the T62 gun in mind, the U.S Army specifically wanted the tank to be generally tough against its own round from the front. Not to mention the way armor advances its safe to say that the amount of armor in the lower front plate is MUCH more than what any of us can guess.
Insert DM53 which also has an Anti-ERA tip, M338, or the type-10. They all basically have the same penatration just -+10mm difference or so.
''The Materiel Need (MN) which XM1 is required to meet differs from GSR 3572 in certain important respects. These are as follows:
a. The principal requirements of the US MN are:
(1) Protection of the crew compartment against the Soviet 115mm FSAPDS at 800-1200m
[…]
it does not meet the GSR in the following major respects:
a. Its frontal armour would be defeated at all battle ranges by the current Soviet 125mm FSAPDS.‘’
‘‘The terminal ballistic characteristcs of this round were taken to be those of the XM579E4 projectile with a muzzle velocity of 1524 m/s […]’’
(X)M1 was very much designed with the 115mm smoothbore gun in mind.
125mm APFSDS was expected to be able to penetrate the M1 Abrams frontally at combat distances.
The IPM1 increased the turret protection (and not the hull protection) to remedy this issue.
The XM1 is not the Abrams. It was a demonstrator/prototype program created for GM and Chrysler to essentially duke it out and see who would further the program to what would become the Abrams.
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