Well 8mm guns (most imho) can’t pen the gunshield. Just to put it right. Its also a mather who shots first and how long do you need to load HE. While the simply spray everyting in an instant.
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The crew is not hidden completely behind the gunshield. If you aim to the side, you are still able to cripple the duster’s gunner.
With the reload buffs most tanks around this BR just got, I don’t see how reloading an HE shell should be a problem. Dusters are loud vehicles that fire Bofors into the sky and should be heard from long before they arrive.
I get that some tanks can be penetrated frontally by a Duster, but how are you letting one get that close to you in the first place if you’re playing a Panzer IV, for instance? How would a Duster be any worse than a T-34 or M4 in that situation?
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I know Gajin stacked the whole game with these gems at rather low BRs (not Ger abviously). But there are always FOTMs. Community shifts here and there. Now its the US ones which get abused as tank hunters. Ru has a ZSU-37 version with uneblievavle 84mm pen at 3.3 (ofc they do lol, Ru). Its hopeless to play med tanks at
some BR ranges, it even pens the main plate of latest Panzer IV.
There should be probably more community talk about this. What point do common tanks with single shot main guns have, as long as there are autogun vehicles doing everything better for a fraction of spawn points.
M42 is Vietnam era, actually if it’s hitting tanks that’s historically accurate
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This does happen, but not with the M19/M42, those are at best mediocre at their current BRs because they are open topped.
Don’t bring up the Kugelblitz, because it’s 1. Significantly better and 2. Overtiered slightly at 6.7.
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Out of all SPAA to moan about around those BR, you pick the M19/M42, lol.
HVAP ammo is iffy at the best of time, eitherway. It’s why the M53/M59 is meh a lot of the time.
Flakpanzer is 7.0, so no - none of these gun SPAA should be anywhere near 6.7. Kugel could even go down to 6.3, although it does have a good rate of fire. But unlike the Flakpanzer, it needs to reload clips.
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The funny thing is that M81A1 is actually underperforming and also should be APBC not regular AP.
Sweden has better penetration at 2.7 and 3.3 on their 40mm SPAA, with 79mm at point blank and their round is APC.
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Has better fire rate, closed turret top, and is immune to being machine gunned except from lucky .50 cal shots.
Calm down dude. Half the nations have options like this but don’t bring them. Germany has a auto 37mm that wipes tankes like nothing at 2.3 and is better at it than these two at their respective BRs.
What nation are you maining? Germany? Bring one of the 1.7 20mm tanks. It’ll shred those and you’ll get skill matters bonuses.
Sit back, snipe in the Pnzr4. Thats what they excel at. Stay angled and don’t push into the brawl where these AA are lurking.
ALSO, you are still going to get tapped by them once in a while. Its gonna happen, welcome to war thunder.
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You know your tanks have a machine gun right?
Right?
Bro you’re absolutely nuts lol.
Germany got the absolute best one at 2.3 br with a fully auto 37. That thing, if a german team rolls out and actually knows how to play obliterates lobbies.
Bring that to fight the duster. A little slower but has about the same armor and would be a funny surprise.
Not for AA duties, the bofors is woefully inaccurate. Although you could compare it to the leopard 40/70, which has 20mm more pen and a great chassis at 6.0, the m19 probably could go up to 4.7-5.3
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Of all the SPAA to complain about you chose these two… LoL. Lmao even.
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There is also the crusader mk1 at 3.0 with the same ammo as the M19/42.
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I’m aware. I was simply saying ammo wise the Swedish 40mm AA gun has better ammo currently.
Not the solution I’d go with.
It’s a ground gamemode at the end of the day. SPAA should be able to meaningfully interact with that element of the match instead of being entirely relegated to shooting air targets, especially since aircraft may not be a persistent enough threat throughout the match for this type of gameplay to be remotely fun or engaging.
I’d prefer to see most SPAA’s AP belts have an SP penalty attached. You could still afford to bring some AP for emergencies, but running mostly AP should become too expensive to warrant spawning compared to other classes of ground vehicle.
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Much better SPAA than the Duster, but worse TD. That’s fine.
Can confirm.
Not with Pz IVs, please, lol. On everything else you are correct.
I’d be okay with making an SPAA with effective/deadly AP rounds to cost the same spawn points as a regular tank (since these SPAA are not just sitting in spawn twiddling their thumbs usually). I don’t see the point of a discount there. But I wouldn’t make it an air situation, where you’d need to play another vehicle first just to be able to then spawn in the SPAA with AP rounds.
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lol
A) Just load HE Lmao
B) another “SPAA” OP from thodin lmao
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Would be nice if we had the option to unload the current round without firing it to load an HE shell. That would give the “Just load HE” argument more weight.
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