I have a friend who just played an Air Arcade battle with his Mig-23ML. He has only one plane in the lineup and Mig-23ML is 11.7 in air AB. However, he met a JA-37DI in the battle which is at 13.0 in air AB. That’s a 1.3 uptier for him!
How is it possible? My friend is playing alone without being in a squad or anything.
had it happen to me and my friend plaing 8.0 france(he also has 9.3) and somehow the game showed he had 9.3 stuff in the lineup and we had some hard times awith 8.0 at atleast 9.3(he didnt bring any 9.3 to the match).
was ground rb tho
This happened to me as well. One time I just switched from 12.0to 9.3 in ground RB with my friend but that game was 12.0 nevertheless and my lineup was locked. I could only use the vehicles from the “free slots”.
In arcade a 1.3 uptier is possible. Play realistic, there’s at least a smidge of balance there
Not a bug, br in air arcade is calculated by total br, so if you have a 13.0 plane and 2 12.3 planes for ex, it will be 12.7 and get macthed into 11.7 lobbies. (maximum of 0.3 lower)
Wrong
what’s wrong?
Look at my comment, also air arcade has better balance than realistic
what you said is practically the same as allowing 1.3 uptiers. Literally. It allow +1.3 planes to be against you, that’s basically the same no matter what you call it.
And nah, the only illusion of balance you have is that arcade is too chaotic and people are too bad so it’s down to randomness. The simple fact that compression is worse there says enough
It also allows you to have 1.3 BR greater than your nominal BR - so it is not all “against you” - it is the same for you as anyone else.
Except it isn’t - to have the advantage ytou have to have the rest of your lineup at least 2 brackets below your nominal BR - that is a reasonably significant disadvantage too.
As far as I am aware, AB has a +/- 1.3 BR range, where in RB its only +/- 1.0. So if its Arcade, this loosk normal
No - that is wrong.
AB has +/- 1.0 - however hte method used to calculate your BR differs from RB - in RB is is simply your highest BR.
In AB they finagle it (technical term :)) - see Matchmaking | War Thunder Wiki
Not saying it is a good system or anything - but it is what it is, and it’s important to get it right
Arcade doesn’t go off the highest BR plane in your line up, it has some averaging system, so you can put say a 9.3 in then the rest of your planes as 8.7s and it will que you as 9.0.
I never said it was purely a disadvantage, I said it allowed 1.3 gaps in the match, making it virtually the same as a 1.3 bracket.
The fact that it forces you to bring lower br planes doesn’t change anything about that, it just compensates it a bit
Often the +0.3 you can get with this formulae is not even close to making it worth having all your other a/c a maximum of -0.6/0.7 - for example a lineup of planes all with the same BR will invariably be better.
So no, is it not “virtually the same” as a BR gap of 1.3 - a BR gap of 1.3 would allow you an entire lineup of planes 1.3 higher - as many as you have crew slots.
This allows just 1 aicraft 0.3 highter - if you think that is the same as 1.3 higher in every slot then I think you must have done the same math course as the orangutan!
Of course it’s not the same for people of the higher end of the bracket. But for the people of the lower end, they still end up fighting people of +1.3 which is pretty bad in the current situation of compression
Alright, the convo ends here :)
The original post and initial subsequent discussion was about a player having 1 plane in their lineup, and can face a plane that is 1.3 BR higher… which is true from what you’ve described?
e.g. if they have a 9.0 plane, and someone else has a multi-plane lineup with a 10.3 but then the other planes that are selected bring it down to a 10.0 BR… they can face each other in a match as the 9.0 player and 10.0 average player are in the 1.0 BR range (and thus can possibly face the 10.3 plane at some point)?
Yeah that’s what I was intending to say but they got past my point
I did say it pretty poorly
I am under the understanding that sometimes the matchmaking can be manipulated so you get a far better chance of a down tier. On an off topic sort that does relate to the tier system and matchmaking system does anybody have a clue how the air spawns work especially in arcade they seem to have no rhyme or reason. You can be using reserve vehicles and spawn in a tier one BR 1.2 plane only to face Tier two BR 2.7 fighter.
They seem to be picked randomly from the BR range of the match, I think?
