Update 2.43.0.105 (Battle Ratings)

[lukeskylicker]

Congratulations you have discovered compression a long standing issue that has been plaguing this game for as long as we have had a top tier. F-14 IRAF has just gone from one of the most notorious beneficiaries of this phenomenon to a victim of it, but even then I’d still much rather be stuck in an F-14 IRAF against 14.0s then stuck in any 11.7 aircraft against the F-14 IRAF. “It would suffer in an uptier so it’s fine for it to slaughter in a downtier” is a terrible mindset to have balance wise and is why we already have absolute nonsense like the F-104 which is completely untouchable even by the missiles it sees in downtier at 9.3, the MiG-15bis ISH a negligibly different version of the MiG-15bis which was already strong at 8.7 but now at 8.0, the F-5C staying at 10.3 for years where it completely abused everything below kt, the Wyvern one of the fastest props in the game and given an air spawn at just 4.3, the BI which needs no explanation, etc. etc.

Fakour-90 and Sedjeel are both sufficient to keep it competitive at 13.0, or at least as competitive as any other airframe stuck there. It was too strong for 12.7, and a “compensation buff” with R-73 is a paradoxical decision (if it’s too strong for 12.7 with current kit then it does not need better kit for 13.0) and is how you get “compensatory” ASRAAM and IRIS-T at 14.3 when the Typhoons are, hopefully, decompressed at some point.

[Intrspace]

Why was the 342M Gazelle moved to 9.7? To the same BR as the AH-1S and Mi-24s.
It literally just has 4 HOT-2 missiles. That’s the same loadout as one reload of the MEPHISTO at 8.7

[UniqueScorpions]

At least the Su-25SM3 is at a usable br in Sim now.

But what about the Aubl 74 HVG getting a reload buff??

People agree it needs to happen

@Stona_WT

Planned Battle Rating Changes for February 2025

Aubl 74 HVG reload buff 6.0 → 3.85 seconds Because m300 is terrible, and does little to no damage. It’s also a small round and should load faster than 6.0 secs. It’s only .3 br lower than a Turm III [The Aubl-74/HVG suffers] [Aubl 74 HVG is just terrible] Yes I hit multiple things in perfect kill shot areas, where there was ammo or most of the crew. Died due to lack of damage. When I died to the Strv and when I shot at the Turm III you can see the APFSDS physically…

[AlvisWisla]

Mig-15Bis is 8.3 currently.

[UniqueScorpions]

If it had a thermal, sure. It could be 10.7

[KhorneFlakez1337]

Great job Gaijin, we all definitely hate decompression.

Thank you for recompressing the 10.0 area and compressing other areas even further.

[VF21_Freelancers]

@AlvisWisla

Mig-15Bis is 8.3 currently.

I mean MiG-15bis ISh, which is 8.0.

[AlvisWisla]

Which has a higher drag and mass.
Either way we know they’re under-BR’d.

[UniqueScorpions]

It’s proven they hate Italy. They won’t buff the 60mm HVG although the 120mm cannons of the modern tanks reload at a rate of 5.0 secs, meanwhile being half the size, the HVG reloads at 6.0 secs.

[lukeskylicker]

Pylon drag isn’t modeled even on the bis ISH iirc. It’s just more weight and it’s so negligible even fuel quantity matters more. The bis ISH being lower than the base variant is one of the very few unquestionable examples of a premium being pay to win.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

@lukeskylicker

“It would suffer in an uptier so it’s fine for it to slaughter in a downtier”

1. The F-14 IRIAF already suffered in uptiers. The only thing it had going for it was it could only see 4 planes that completely outclassed it, and not an entire team of the them every game
2. Every single plane slaughters downtiers. I don’t see how you can see the F-104 situation and not see the same correlation. This isn’t a single issue, and it never has been. “Congratulations you have discovered The BR System”.

@lukeskylicker

Fakour-90 and Sedjeel are both sufficient to keep it competitive at 13.0

They aren’t, at all. The Sejeel shouldn’t even be in the discussion. It won’t track 70% of the time you shoot it and can’t maneuver as well as the 27R1. The Fakour doesn’t work against the targets it faces. The Fakour isn’t good against hyperaware, super-maneuverable targets. It’s good for sniping bombers and drones. That’s it.

@lukeskylicker

It was too strong for 12.7, and a “compensation buff” with R-73 is a paradoxical decision (if it’s too strong for 12.7 with current kit then it does not need better kit for 13.0)

It wasn’t too strong for 12.7. If I’m being honest, 12.7 was way more balanced than 13.0. 13.0 is simply overkill and a gross uptiering of an Early F-14A into modern ARH combat with virtually nothing to help it. The R-73 wouldn’t warrant any higher BR, and also wouldn’t help with the 13.0 placement. It’s simply too high for an F-14A, and nothing you can say can invalidate that.

[VF21_Freelancers]

@AlvisWisla

Which has a higher drag and mass.

Those drags/masses are almost negligible.

[Nick_Cloud]

@lukeskylicker

It was too strong for 12.7

Too stronk…CBA to mask properly, CBA to defend properly, must ACE COMBAT.
That’s why the change.

They could give it Fatter. They didn’t . Yet with no all-aspect (not speaking IRCCM) it’s 13.0. Can’t even carry 6 ARH which the plane in reality could , let’s say it was for balancing in 12.7… now it’s 13.0.
Want more that they could do? Supposedly Iran upgraded the radar. Where is that? I mean F90 has “press release stats” no one knows its actual stats , so they could do things and take it to 13.0 . That thing now…is not 13.0 .
And my biggest question about the change has to do with 3 things.

1. It can carry 6 ARH… why you still limiting it to 4 since you uptier it?
2. Why no update on its IRs. It can carry Fatter. Tests with R-73 were good, with R-27 failed …yet it carries R-27.
   3.CM count… F-14B will delete you any day of the week yet it has the same BR?
   And before any a–shat tries tell anything about my bias…i’ve played like 600-700 games against it and only 70-80 with it (and most of them grinding mods…) so yeah, idgaf if i’ll play it again .
   Also, why 21SMT is going down to 10.3? (yes i’ve played the thing A LOT) . So to destroy anything without flares in every undertier… Ok, i’ll bite. Gonna grind the event with it from tomorrow.

I don’t know what they balance. If you want to balance decompress -fullstop
Anything else you do GJ, is 50iq primeape decisions. Man up and decompress.

Meanwhile 14.0 game , last game, it’s still what happened in the games before the BR change. But it’s more prestigious to see people in EF2K and Rafales do the same crap , people did before the BR change and cried about F-14 being OP. So what’s next? F-14 IRIAF 13.7 because people still make the same mistakes?

[CleanupOnIL-2]

war is peace
freedom is slavery
recompression is decompression :)

[BasherBenDawg8]

Just when I think gaijin couldn’t possibly be any more ignorant, they always find a way to prove me wrong.

[CoFro_8-psn]

My guy, the F14 IRAF was dominating too much in a down tier. 11.7s should never have to see it.

Instead of trying to convince people that your OP aircraft is fine at its OP spot, advocate for the raising of the BR ceiling so it doesnt see the Eurofighter, F15E, ect.

Plus at 12.7 it never saw a full up tier becuase there really is no shich thing as a 13.7 or 13.3 game in the current matchmaker. They’re all uptiered to 14 anyway so you’d mostly see down tiers to 11.7-13.0 games anyway.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

@CoFro_8

advocate for the raising of the BR ceiling so it doesn’t see the Eurofighter, F15E, ect

Everyone sane is advocating for decompression. I’ve been an advocate for it since I started understanding what is was.

[Kryore]

how has this been moved but not the milan thats way worse than it??

[AlvisWisla]

Meanwhile some of its equivalents are 12.3 now.

[LtCol-RedFox]

Intro to rant,
Ahh cool, once again after no doubt tens of thousands of comments from all communities & yet sweet bloody all has been changed & as usual not a single NF suggestion changed, why do I bother making comments & why do the mods in game suggest going to the forums for discussing BR changes especially when they suggests these types of posts yet nothing NOTHING ever comes of it.

Suggestion,
We’re better off splitting BR changes into three different posts one for AF one for GF & one for NF so at least something might be done in each change all while spanning up to two months each time, over just doing this all at once with piss all to show for it.

Further rant,
I simply requested this thing to go down & to no surprise, nothing happened for what’s basically a starting destroyer that faces late war destroyer/ heavy pre war destroyers & all types of cruisers, even in the screenshot by national designations these are ocean going torpedo boats yet two of them are 3.7 & one of them is very similar (Jaguar coming up the rear, lighter & faster, a third cannon 10.5 cm yet 3.7).

I really would love to sit down & ask the developer in charge of NF BR’s what their logic is that they follow for such BR’s (probably over a translated message), as it can’t be effectiveness.

As looking at Italian 4.0 ships there’s the Impetuoso class destroyer which is essentially a 4.3/4.7 ship at 4.0 that rips apart everything at BR, there’s a Soldati class destroyer even if the worse one (could be lower) it outclasses this TB, and if counting Italian built ships also at 4.0 the Regele Ferdinand class Destroyer (USSR ship) & again outclasses this bar LAA.

The Albatros class Corvette is superior to the Ciclone class Torpedo Boat (these corvettes probably should go back to 3.7).

The Turbine & Freccia class destroyers at lower BR’s also outclass this, So why is this at 4.0???

An now back to battles in that feel like the Battle of Cape Paasero, eg: one British cruiser sinks a few TB’s & DD’s, which sums up the experience in matches.