The SPG looks like a simlar shape to the 2S19 although with a shorter barrel
Yeah, you never know
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Genuinely wild that North Korea lacks or hasnt made a true 30mm+ barreled ifv yet
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Makes me wonder if the arrival of captured Marder and Bradley IFVs from Russia had something to do with this new development. Even then, the chassis and running gear seems primitive, so I question if we’re seeing a testbed of sorts here rather than something parade-worthy.
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Source for high res image of Ch’onma-20+new IFV and 122mm turret was taking a suspicious amount of time to load (probably due to being Argentinian domain), so just in case I will post the original photo here as well. WT forums automatically saps resolution unfortunately, so original will remain slightly better, but this is still sharper than some of the original NK sources (and whatever is being shared around by many western ones currently).
North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un displayed the Hwasong-20 missile, capable of reaching the United States - Lobos News
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I wouldn’t. Cromwell is one of those few “copy-and-paste” vehicles that were never really captured or serviced by many countries. In fact, one of the few well-known reports we have is the North Korean one.
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122?
Didn’t you lie about something being a T-62 with 0 proof and then never replied? Oops
I completely misread lmao. Thanks for the clarification.
UPDATE
Version 2.3, 19/10/26
New Vehicles:
- [KP] Ch’ŏnma-21 — BR 12.0
- [KP] Ch’ŏnma-20 (P) (2024) — BR 12.0. Premium Vehicle.
- [KR] KAAV-II — BR 10.0
Renamed Vehicles:
- [KP] M2020 Short-Range SAM → Pyŏljji-3
Moved Vehicles:
- [KP] Ch’ŏnma-20: BR 12.7 → 12.0
- [KP] Ch’ŏnma-20 (P): BR 12.0 → 11.7
- [KR] K1A2: BR 11.3 → 11.7
- [KR] K1A1: BR 11.3 → 11.7
- [KR] K1A1(P): BR 11.0 → 11.3
- [KP] Pyŏljji-3: BR 11.7 → 11.3
- [KP] BMP-3: BR 9.0 → 9.3
- [KP] IS-2 (1944): BR 6.7 → 6.3
- [KP] Cromwell V: BR 3.3 → 4.0
- [KP] M24: BR 3.7 → 4.0
My website documenting North Korean vehicles and weapons should (fingers-crossed) be up and running within the next month (I know I said that months ago, but life got in the way)
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ATS-59 (100mm)
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Ho-RI at home
Most sources refers them as 122mm tho.
Other angle
Most sources are referring to it as the ‘M1981’ 122mm SPG, but that’s wrong.
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It has no muzzle brake. That doesn’t make sense for a 122mm howitzer, nor has that configuration ever been seen
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The cannon can be identified by looking at its base, just before the gunshield
- 122mm field gun (same cannon)
- 100mm SPG
- 100mm SPG
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But Korean sources are not talking about M1981, apparently few korean source says they are ‘M1975’(don’t know that name is right) with modified 122mm D-74/Type 60 without the Muzzle brake(and even different barrel?)? Every single korean site, from small community to major brodcasting system, says 122mm. I’m confused.
This thing, I think.
They’re wrong, it doesn’t matter that it’s what everyone is saying. It’s a relatively easy mistake to make, but you have to remember the majority of people commenting on it are not well-versed in military vehicles or cannons, and the few that are, are not well-versed in obscure North Korean SPG designs.
‘M1975’, for example, refers to the 130mm-armed ATS-59. The ‘M####’ designations are confusing and often contradictory, you shouldn’t rely on them, people get them mixed up all the time.
There are also a number of AI-generated images of NK SPGs at the border going around now, as well as AI-generated slop news accounts talking about how North Korea has SPGs with 60km+ ranges ready to fire at the border (obviously incorrectly referring to the Chuch’ep’o (Koksan)). A lot of the reporting on this is sensationalist nonsense.
These are the indigenous 100mm field guns (likely based on the Romanian A407), as seen on the ATS-59 / ‘Tokchon’.
Terrible quality but you can see they are identical cannons.
Umm, apparently even at National assembly, in front of Minister of National Defense, they are talking them as 122mm. I’m even more confused.
Governments can also get things wrong.
All I can say is, we know what the 100mm cannon looks like, we know what the 122mm D-74-based cannon looks like, and we know what the ATS-59-based SPGs for both those cannons look like. And the vehicles in the images, based on the details of the cannon, are almost certainly the 100mm SPGs. Unless North Korea has for some reason developed a new 122mm cannon identical to the 100mm cannon, and also somehow discovered that removing the muzzle brake has no impact on recoil, then it’s the 100mm.