Yes yes and yes, CANZAC is the best hope for these vehicles not only being implemented, but also in a healthy manner.
No one should have to grind multiple trees just to play their nations equipment.
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+1 would allow way more vehicles to be added
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Many vehicles were left out of this suggestion on purpose because of their copy paste nature. There are a very large number of copy paste aircraft operated by these nations that could come to the game in this tree if this tree was added.
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Yay! It’s here.
Our lovable showcases that only three nations are needed for a good tree, not the 55 nations of the Commonwealth.
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As Paulie explained, many vehicles were left out due to being “Copy & Paste”. Now, as seen, we still used C&P mainly if they were needed to fill a gap or were major historic aircraft.
Now I can’t comment on the Aussie/ANZAC stuff, but I can on the Canadian.
I ask for the Sea Hornet to be left out as it was tested only(I only used it in the Canadian tree to fill a gap, but it wasn’t needed here), might make an ok event, but after that it’s not great.
As for the CM on the CF-116, despite other nations that used it having it, Canada didn’t. It’s why the “late” CF-104 no longer exist, as that was a space filler based on that stuff others used on their CF-104s.
The CF-105 might be bad, but it’s thee Canadian jet and a selling point of Canada in WT for players. SO, leaving it out just because it won’t be easy to balance/play isn’t an option. So leaving them out of a Canadian home suggestion is dumb. This leads to keeping the CF-101 do to its historic legacy.
As for the CL-41R, I think it’s fine in the tree, besides having more domestic stuff, as TT is a good thing.
The CF-103 was never built and was nothing more than an empty shell mock-up, so it can’t come in any way.
Having Singapore wouldn’t be the worst addition, and I’m not against it(unlike the majors like ZA and India). As last I’d see for their equipment list, they’re not one of the major players who want half a tree to themselves at least. Plus, the F-15s could help that area at the top of the tree; that’s just hornets.
Otherwise, I’m sure I have other comments, but that is good enough for me.
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You just do a Commonwealth Realm tree, not a Commonwealth of Nations tree. So that drops it significantly, minus Great Britain of course.
There’s:
- Antigua and Barbuda
- Australia
- Bahamas
- Belize
- Canada
- Grenada
- Jamaica
- New Zealand
- Papua New Guinea
- Saint Kitts and Nevis
- Saint Lucia
- Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
- Solomon Islands
- Tuvalu
Many of these nations barely add anything, but could be useful for the odd premium or gap filler
literal hornets nest at rank 8
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That depends if Gaijin wants to apply the “Nation never used it” or the “Plane can use it” standard (Australian Hornets in the UK tree already have AIM-9Ls and Ms). the Aussie F-4Es where factory fresh USA domestic standard F-4Es that where temporally leased by the USA to Australia when the F-111Cs we where buying got delayed and the Canberra bombers we where using could not be kept in service. So while we didn’t buy any additional weapons for the F-4Es (not much point when they where being returned to the USA in a few years) they where fully capable of using any weapon that the USA ones could.
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I’m pretty sure Australia had the Lima Sidewinder before the Mike anyway, I’m sure I’ve seen photos of Hornets with it equipped. But it’s always hard to find on the internet.
+1 for CANZAC
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+1, all three of the countries have unique variants of already existing aircraft, with some unique stuff as well! I would love a CA-15 or Hurricane XII
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The only vehicle I can recall from them (barring Australia, Canada, New Zealand and UK) is a patrol boat, I’m curious if there’s anything else
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As for the CM on the CF-116, despite other nations that used it having it, Canada didn’t. It’s why the “late” CF-104 no longer exist, as that was a space filler based on that stuff others used on their CF-104s.
F-5C was never equipped with CM either (as well as the F-5C being able to equip AAM’s) but they have them in game anyways so I cannot see why an exception can be made with the AUP. It’s more critical with the AUP over the F-5C since it uses all aspect AAM’s in the form of AIM-9L’s & M’s and those are the only AAM’s that it uses. I also suspect that if an CANZ TT is added the Australian F-4E’s and the RNZAF MB-339CB would get the same treatment. Getting AIM-9E’s, J’s or P’s for the former (Australia never used those variants since, having a preference towards the Magic 1 over those specific AIM-9 variants) and various weapons for the latter such as 30mm gunpods and AIM-9L’s.
There’s many other examples of this to other vehicles as well. And we will be here all day in regards to what vehicles got and not equipped with irl in relation to what equipment and ordinances vehicles get in game. The point is Historical accuracy purity can be disregarded for the sake of game balance.
As for the CL-41R, I think it’s fine in the tree, besides having more domestic stuff, as TT is a good thing.
It’s still largely a gimmick aircraft and is better suited for a event vehicle. Besides there isn’t alternatives to fill in it’s place such as the CL-84 Dynavert for example
Excluding the nations that are in the suggestion. All of those countries either have no militaries at all, They do have a military but they don’t have any vehicles that can be added to the TT outside of the occasional PT boat which CANZ is anything but lacking in or the occasional vehicles they do operate are redundant since at least one of the 3 operated them as well with extremely few exceptions. Also surprised that there’s no Trinidad and Tobago on that list especially since a lot of their military vehicles (especially their Coast Guard and Navy) was built in Australia. I don’t think they can realistically be added for the reasons that is previously mentioned but it’s interesting non the less.
I wouldn’t get too caught up on what’s in the tree and what’s an event vehicle for this suggestion. The priority was putting in unique content regardless of how well it fits. In that sense it’s more demonstrative of the unique content on offer, but I’m sure if Gaijin adds CANZAC it’d get a lot more of our less unique content in the tree while things that are in the tree in the suggestion go to events and stuff.
As for the CL-84 Dynavert not being here, that’s on me. I strongly feel that tilt rotor and tilt wing aircraft fit better in helicopter trees. The CL-84 will be in the heli tree that I plan to suggest as well.
Edit: Oh and yes, you’re right about the game disregarding historical accuracy for the sake of Gaijin wanting the vehicle to do a certain role.
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Did some more surface level digging and the Solomon islands seem to have a unique addition for coastal being the RSIPV Gizo (plus Taro in the future) as I’m pretty sure it’s the only Guardian class patrol boat to be armed (issue is it doesn’t mention the number of 12.7mm machine guns).
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PNG also has some Pacific Forum Patrol class boats which are armed with a 20mm cannon.
I think they’re the only boats that are suitable for coastal, everything else the small Pacific islands use is either unarmed, or only rifle calibre which is unsuitable.
But I believe the Carribean navies have better equipment, but again its one or two vessels.
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Well the more the merrier
Maybe I might of missed something, but why’s the HEP at a higher BR than the Super Duper Hornet?
The HEP is smaller, lighter and likely remains a better fighter. The Super Hornets are more designed for increased ground strike capability, not an upgrade to fighter capability.
Another potential aircraft, mostly to fill up Tier II Canadian Attacker line is the A-20/Boston family of aircraft. I know that the RAAF also used them as well but the Australian Attacker line already have sufficient aircraft at Tier II
RAAF A-20C.
