Unarmed planes suffering from the f14

Yeah I could’ve sworn I’d found the USAF fact sheet on it at some point but I cannot for the life of me find it again. The F-20 is an odd little thing cause it was adopted for 3 hours (not the actual correct time) and then it wasnt and it never saw actual production.

Honestly where I got the F-20C thing wad the three protoypes as they are technically different models but I blanked on it being 3 and just thought it was 2 (and when I search for it I see so many things titles F-20C but I never checked that they were model kits so mb)

Do you know if the 3rd F-20 prototype as you said actually carried the AIM-120? Cause usually Gaijoobles goes on a basis of whether or not it did carry it with some exceptions. Also I feep that they wont give them to the F-20 already ingame even if it did cause Lvl 18 wallet warriors dont need that much power

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17g It is more than enough to hit at long distances, it is not far from 20G and it is a missile with a lot of range, they will shoot it at you, therefore even if it is 17, my little boy, you will not see it coming. And if I can dodge active missiles, I have better Stats than you but that’s another topic

Smoke trails are invisible to you?

Looks like you have near to 0 valid arguments and trying into stats)
BTW, RB isnt my main gamemode, at least now

Grammar aside the only ARH missiles you’re facing are going to be AIM-54s which are already laughable if you do literally any basic maneuver.

If you don’t know how to notch a SARH missile then thats just a skill issue

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F-20 should have 0 issues dealing with Aim-54s. They arent exactly hard to deal with in something that turns well. Same goes for almost all aircraft at 12.0/12.3 except the F3

Mig-21 BISON has better AAMs than most aircraft at its BR. 2x R-73s + HMD Is near enough 2x guaranteed kills. Especially in a full down tier. Or are the Aim-9Gs on aircraft like the FGR2 and F-14A too OP for the Mig-21 BISON to deal with in a WVR fight?

So what do you want to do about? Delete the F-14 from the game? Whack its BR up so that its facing F-15s with AMRAAM?

I’d say dealing with aircrat like the F-20 or Mig-21 BISON is harder than the F-14As. Occasionally you get someone who is smart/knows how to use the AIm-54, but most of the time its a blind spam that yields no results. I know in the Tornado F3 im basically a free kill to something like the Mig-21 BISON because my CMs barely do anything against a R-73

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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/WeGG1YD05C1v

However, they haven’t even answered me so I don’t think anything will happen but don’t lose anything by trying.

14B already doing that.
Only thing that helps to get in Top bracket(at least sometimes) - amount of Iran F-14 and premium spam

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You do know that giving the F-20 AMRAAM would increase its BR to 13.3, where it would then face a wall of F-15Cs and Su-27SMs and Gripen Cs?

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It happens that an F20 was destroyed, those that remained alive were the two prototypes that you are talking about, the F20 until the 80s and some of them were still used as bandit for tests against other aircraft

Didnt have to quote my whole reply but I’ll look at it in a bit

But the F-14B does have buffs over the F-14A. Like the better AIm-54s, BOL (despite their nerfs) better IR AAMs. etc.

theyre same actually, or 54C even worser - it heavier

Bol usefull only as Chaff, as IR it just useless, tomcat is too hot for them

when youre getting to IR AAMs range - youre die, in top tier at least.
but yes, 9L better.

Most important difference - AN/ALR-67

Yeah, thats the Nerfs. BOL chaff should be about 4x more effective than it is currently. BOL “flares” should be about 10x more effective. Its not how hot the F-14 is, its how weak they made the BOL that is the issue.

Yeah, better engines as well right?

Though, at the end of the day. You should struggle in a full uptier, its just the constant uptiers that suck. Main reason why I play ASB these days

Well, look at the R73, it has been nerfed, it is no longer so resistant to countermeasures and it is a third generation plane, almost second, the fuselage is bad, therefore the engine does not shine because the fuselage breaks and they can hit you given the nerfs that They hit the Mig 21 in its flight model, it is unplayable, it is very difficult to win a dogfight, the R73, do you say it is op? Almost every time I shoot it in turns it stalls, I don’t know where you’ll see, the op is very easy to flare, it just has few bullets and it’s a bad plane by general standards, the BR planes outshine it in everything, flying low beats you because The plane was designed to fly high and you can’t fly high because of aim54, now you understand? I want to think that you have bought the F20 AND the mig 21 Bison because if you are talking for the sake of talking here I will end the debate

14A faster actually.
but yes, at low speeds better thrust

If we go with that logic, they put the mig 31 with an R33 missile with 150,200 km of 12 G range, when the missile cuts off the post-combustion, you won’t even see it and it will seriously hit you. You think that all that matters in this game is the G’s? What good are the G’s if you don’t know what missile is coming at you? How far away if there isn’t another plane that does the same thing, I don’t understand this desire to defend a plane that is clearly broken.

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you know: RWR is a thing right? right?

missiles in game, are actually warning you at 16km/14km away and TWS doesn’t help Fox-3’s to close in as the Fox-3 internal radar take charge.

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If we go with that logic, they put the mig 31 with an R33 missile with 150,200 km of 12 G range, when the missile cuts off the post-combustion, you won’t even see it and it will seriously hit you. You think that all that matters in this game is the G’s? What good are the G’s if you don’t know what missile is coming at you? How far away if there isn’t another plane that does the same thing, I don’t understand this desire to defend a plane that is clearly broken.

total 17G - 12G according to you, it’s balanced there, your idea clicks, it shows that you’re a novice because for you all that matters are the G’s of a missile when that’s not the case, you need a little more DCS so you can stop saying crap

All R-33 missiles are SARH, you will always know that theres singer on you

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Fly low and watch the skies, tomcats love sending missiles out at 20000 ft. Its harder when you have a bad RWR but iirc the F-20 has a pretty good RWR