Ultimate British Air Tree: A Project to improve the UK Tech Tree (V3.1 OUT NOW!)

[HolmanTheHorror]

@Stockholm_Blend

FYI, our Buffalo were heavily modified with extra armour, which acted like 'dead weight and damaged flight characteristics drastically IRL.
So it will look the same but act significantly different than buffalos in USN.

Is that due to unique British modifications, or because it’s a late Buffalo? Late Buffalos were heavily modified/upgraded to the point they lost their best attribute, being their excellent turning circle.

@Stockholm_Blend

Also, I just can’t get why the f Gaijin keeps letting our caribou be exclusive to US TT bc it was ‘built because of us’
When the French and we tried to buy Bell’s newly developed P-39, there was an export limitation on the 37mm autocannon to Europe, so Bell decided to install 20mm Hispano instead.
If we didn’t order Caribou at all, there was no P-400 in history.

I’m assuming you are referring to the P-400 when talking about the Caribou (when I looked it up, I got solidly post war aircraft in the results), and my guess is because it was added before Britain and France were added, Britain and France being added when they cared a lot more about keeping copy paste to a minimum, and subsequent years of them just neglecting lower tiers. It doesnt help that Britain and France are seen as ‘minor’ nations.

Small comfort, but at least the P-400 isn’t a top tier indigenous aircraft arbitrarily being locked to a foreign tree.

Like the Revenge class is.

That peeves me off, and I don’t even main Britain.

@Stockholm_Blend

I agree with you on ‘some’ points. We might not need ‘every single variant’ of exported vehicles.
However, maybe some vehicles have different specs than the ones which was in US service can be exception I think.

I’d be fine with that, though part of me does worry if, say, having .303 guns instead of .50s is big enough of a difference given the amount of lend lease that probably has such mods, but I don’t think I’m knowledgeable enough about lend lease aircraft to be able to make that call.

@Stockholm_Blend

But…
No offence though, I am really tired of there being tons of US Mains always acting edgy about every single one of their planes getting ‘stolen’ outside of US TT.

Please don’t get me wrong, you were one of the polite guys who critiqued about ‘Brits stealing our planes’. and sounds plausible than the rest of them bc it seems you will also dislike ‘adding other TT’s vehicles into US TT’

Some bad others usually end up with illogical double standard that
‘We can get foreign vehicles, whatever we want, because we used them.’
‘but no other nation should have our vehicle at all. because copy and paste is bad.’ :|

None taken, and thank you for being polite with me. I can see how toxic individuals can sour your perspective on a given stance. It’s happened to me on more then one occasion.

As for those with double standards, US mains especially, yeah, that peeves me off to no end as well, though I’m fortunate enough to have not encountered them so far.

@Morvran_

Really need all Rolls Royce Merlin P-51s moved to the British TT. Its really annoying the US mains are stealing aircraft powered by our engine :P

Honestly, it’s weird Britain only has, like, one Mustang in their whole tree. They got a ton of either copy paste or bordering on copy paste premium aircraft in the lower tiers, but for the quintessential lend lease aircraft?

The one initially ordered by them?

The one which they themselves modified with their premier engine, and subsequently advocated for?

Yeah, they get one premium.

It’s not even a Merlin Mustang, iirc. It’s an Allison.

Like, Britain should at least get some of their prototype Merlins if nothing else.

@Morvran_

This is not a “what should be added thread”. This is a “what could be added thread”.

Every single possible aircraft for both Britain and South Africa.

South Africa did operate the Mirage III and Mirage F1 so its on the list.

It’s also a pseudo suggestion, and the only reason it isn’t a proper suggestion is because not all aircraft in the suggestion have suggestions, so there isn’t any reason why it can’t be critiqued.

It isn’t even all possible implementations, as Gaijin includes evaluated vehicles as possible additions to the game, and the Brits definitely captured/acquired more then a single zero and a couple 109s.

Not that they should get a ton of evaluated and/or captured aircraft, they have plenty of indigenous aircraft in the proposed tree as it stands, and going down that route, especially if you are consistent and do so with the other trees in game, will just lead to the trees becoming an utter mess, but you get my point.

[AydanL44100]

Tbh, even though I see this tree as a bit too large for real implementation, it proves well enough that Britain could easily have a tree as large or larger than the US tree without necessarily being cluttured with copypaste, and US is only bigger because it gets more love
Because looking at this, one could say “muhuh copypaste” but even if you get rid of variants there’s still a ton of unique vehicles that are completely missing in the British tree

[FlyingOstridge]

@Morvran_

Harrier T.10

Rank VIII top right premium/event

@Morvran_

Harrier T.12

I think it’s not there

@Morvran_

Harrier T.8

Rank VII Naval Strike line between the Buccaneer and Nimrod

[lxtav]

With all due respect, you have missed my main point, which i will stare again once more:

THIS IS NOT A WISHLIST, IT IS A COMPLETE TREE INCLUDING EVERYTHING BRITAIN (AND SOUTH AFRICAN SUBTREE) USED

This (again,I feel like a broken record here) is just a metric of what could be added, not what will or should be added.

You also completely ignored my point about the aircraft being heavily modified, tell me, were any of your P-40s modified to carry 6 250 lb bombs?

Or perhaps a 1000 lbs bomb under the fuselage?

@HolmanTheHorror

The Cold War frequently saw the opposing faction’s vehicles being captured by the other side. MiGs, F-16s, you name it. At one point, pretty much everything that saw use got captured by the other guy.

Again with due respect, these are nothing alike, captured vehicles are already a major part of war thunder, as premium but almost every aircraft I have added as researchable has been a frontline combat aircrsft used in large numbers, not a random Mig-29 or F-16 captured/purchased for evaluation reasons.

@HolmanTheHorror

especially when we are looking at it from the POV of every nation becoming the ‘ultimate’ version of what it can be. This isn’t a single addition, this is across a tree with a heavy implication of applying to every other tree in the game as well.

My man, if you think gaijin is getting anywhere near adding this many vehicles to the game in the near future, think again. This has more than doubled the size of the current UK tree, even if we doubled the current amount of additions per update, we wouldnt even come close in 10 years, and I can assure you, i dont think War Thunder will last long enough to have everything here in game.

And if you are that worried about copy and paste, look at this american tree, the amlunt of unique aircraft missing from the US tree would keep it unique and diverse, there are so many interesting aircraft (prototypes or not) that the US used that could be added:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/12hnckk/extended_american_air_tree_br_decompression_v2/?rdt=33839

[Sea_Harrier_FRS1]

@lxtav

THIS IS NOT A WISHLIST, IT IS A COMPLETE TREE INCLUDING EVERYTHING BRITAIN USED

Also South Africa

[lxtav]

yes, that too, fixed

[HolmanTheHorror]

@lxtav

With all due respect, you have missed my main point, which i will stare again once more:

THIS IS NOT A WISHLIST, IT IS A COMPLETE TREE INCLUDING EVERYTHING BRITAIN (AND SOUTH AFRICAN SUBTREE) USED

This (again,I feel like a broken record here) is just a metric of what could be added, not what will or should be added.

Neat. It’s also a suggestion that only isn’t because not all of the aircraft have suggestions on the forums. So I’m going to criticize it when I feel there is something to criticize.

So unless I’m being delusional, and the OP hasn’t said…

@lxtav

Hello! and welcome to the most ambitious British suggestion in War Thunder History, the Ultimate British Air Tree!

@lxtav

Please note this was originally intended as a suggestion, however until we can provide more details on each vehicles we have decided it best to post here instead, we will try to transfer it to suggestions as soon as possible

I’m going to treat it as a suggestion, not a wishlist.

@lxtav

You also completely ignored my point about the aircraft being heavily modified, tell me, were any of your P-40s modified to carry 6 250 lb bombs?

If you really want my response to modified P-40s? I don’t know. I don’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of aircraft, far from it, but I honestly doubt Britain would be the only ones to do such mods. It could very well lead back to the original issue of copy paste where a ton of aircraft are suddenly found across multiple different trees, and all because such aircraft were converted to carry indigenous bombs or bigger bomb loads. Which, if it’s only a handful of such craft across all trees, is one thing, would be fine, but if it’s not, would be an issue.

@lxtav

Again with due respect, these are nothing alike, captured vehicles are already a major part of war thunder, as premium but almost every aircraft I have added as researchable has been a frontline combat aircrsft used in large numbers, not a random Mig-29 or F-16 captured/purchased for evaluation reasons

Well, first of all, you have suggested aircraft only ever evaluated into the tech tree, the A-26/Invader.

Secondly, I wasn’t talking about the researchable craft, mostly (see A-26). It was mostly in reference to the premium/event part of the tree. Stuff like the Zero, P-59A, BF-109s, so on, as well as all ‘possible inclusions’ if we were to apply such logic for implementations consistently to every possible addition.

@lxtav

My man, if you think gaijin is getting anywhere near adding this many vehicles to the game in the near future, think again. This has more than doubled the size of the current UK tree, even if we doubled the current amount of additions per update, we wouldnt even come close in 10 years, and I can assure you, i dont think War Thunder will last long enough to have everything here in game.

As stated before, I’m treating this as a suggestion, even if it technically isn’t, as everything in the OP indicates every intent for this to be a suggestion, if not now, then at some point.

[Sea_Harrier_FRS1]

Treat it as the thing that you want badly and need to be kind to the other people that also want to have the same thing that we can all get if we behave

[OliverXRed]

@lxtav

Mosquitos that the US used

What Mosquitos that would be viable did the US use? Genuinely curious.

From the little amount i have looked into Mosquito in USAAF, i only really found info on them using it in the Photo-Reconnaissance role. (US ordered F-8, and PR XVI)

[Nostalgistic]

@OliverXRed

What Mosquitos that would be viable did the US use? Genuinely curious.

I can provide a definitive answer: the Mosquito NF.XXX night fighter variant. Realistically, this is the only viable Mosquito addition for the US tech tree could have in War Thunder.

Historically, the 416th Night Fighter Squadron of the US Army 12th Air Force in Italy had operated NF.30s for their intended night-fighter role from November 1944 to July 1945.

@OliverXRed

From the little amount i have looked into Mosquito in USAAF, i only really found info on them using it in the Photo-Reconnaissance role. (US ordered F-8, and PR XVI)

The USAAF also operated the following Mosquito variants, including the NF.XXX:

UK-Built:

• PR.XVI
• NF.XXX
• T.III
• FB.IV/B.IV (Only two used unofficially; DZ357 and DZ368; all crashed)

Canadian-Built:

• B.VII
• B.XX

As far as I know, all Mosquitos acquired by the USAAF were converted and used in the PR role except the NF.30 night fighter.

[Master_Yoder]

Would love to see the T5 one day

[Morvran]

Anything perticularly unique about the T5?

[Master_Yoder]

Apart from the extra pilot, not much.

Guess as a premium, would just be nice to see some of the T birds in the tree

[Morvran]

The issue is the F53 there. But would be nice to see some do the earlier Lightning

[Master_Teaz]

maybe event? but F.2A/F.3 (I can’t remember which one can have 4x ADEN) would probably fit better as one

[Morvran]

Yeah, that sounds like fun. Especially if red tops ever get all-aspect the lightning F6/F53 moves up to 10.0

[Tubby_Vermin]

This update to British aviation is a solid improvement.

Greater variety keeps the game engaging and ensures its longevity. While some speculate that War Thunder may decline in the coming years, posts like this highlight how it can continue to flourish.

Every nation should take a similar approach prioritizing the introduction of domestically developed aircraft before incorporating copy-paste additions.

This strategy would lead to a more genuine sense of progression, avoiding excessive reliance on copy-paste content that merely extends the grind and prioritises revenue.

While I understand the business side of things, I want War Thunder to thrive.

I’ve invested significant time and money into this game, and it remains a diamond in the rough full of potential for improvement in every aspect.

Let’s go, Gaijin!

Time to break more Guinness World Records.

[PlayedStatue626]

Would love to see this happen.

Also holding out hope that GCAP does well enough to join this tree.

[Rileyy3437-live]

The prototype is due 2027 (rumoured to be ahead of schedule), I have already got a rough draft of a suggestion for it. Also Tempest proto 1 is confirmed to be doing armament testing including but not limited to Meteor and likely ASRAAM too from an internal bay. So won’t be an EAP scenario (EAP my beloved).

[PlayedStatue626]

Sweet!