Why? There’s more of other tanks with 152-mm main gun that are originated from Kharkiv
it was just a thought
Btw this would be there last tank to research a T-84
Its there MBT
BM Oplot-T
Manufacturers designation is Object 478DU9-T
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FrankenSAM just got on video, but that is video about destruction of that system, so i think i can`t post it here.
Just explanation in words:
It looks like standart Buk-M1 SAM system , but uses RIM-7 missiles with custom launch-transportation containers(no idea how it called correctly)
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Let’s not argue history that is not relevant for the game.
Regardless of who came first, the people’s from then are radically different and unrecognizable from those now.
There is no point in arguing this here.
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For your attention, a slide from the American PEO GCS (executive office of the “Ground Combat Systems” program) on the sale of equipment to foreign countries.
Ukrainian Abrams tanks are officially called M1A1 SA-UKR.
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It’d be great to see Ukraine as an independent nation in WT. Especially, as you proposed, with some Georgian vehicles to fill the tree out.
However, what I’m worried about is the tech tree starting at rank IV. As we’ve seen with Israel it sucks having level 1 crew with rank IV vehicles. Furthermore, the lineups are practically non-existent, and overall it’s just not a fun experience when you start playing the nation. (Israel is also the least played nation in the game, perhaps for reasons listed above…)
That’s why I’d actually rather have a complete copy-paste rank I-III for Ukraine, instead of having the tree start at rank IV. Then you’d at least have some better crews at the higher ranks, as well as the possibility to form complete lineups at most BRs.
But overall, sure, +1
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New FrakenSAM hot off the presses:
9K33M Osa (Sa-8B) SAM system rearmed to fire R-73 AAMs
Sources:
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1791837511976714284
Ok, so not exactly brand-new, but this higher quality photo is new.
Older, low-quality post:
https://x.com/PEmeryt/status/1723650013736128729
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MT-LBu with “Parus” combat module
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That’s sick
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Would be a really nice addition to the tree if real, but the image is really weird and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s edited. Until there’s more evidence, it should be taken with a grain of salt IMO. Reportedly Militarniy posted this last year but quickly deleted.
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Hmm, personally I see nothing wrong, besides the obvious stretching caused by trying to blow-up a low quality photo. But, I can see the operators shadow against the rear launcher arm and missile, so I see no obv PS signs atm:
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But, anything’s possible, as always. I’m sure we’ll see more of them in good time.
Here’s a less-cropped version, if that helps:
In the same TG channel it’s said that R-73 can fly further than basic 9M33M3 missiles and it’s highly interesting due to the fact that R-73 is A-A missile and it’s originally not supposed to be launched from a ground vehicle
Brother no
“The 9M33M3 missile greatly enhances the altitude engagement envelope to 10–12,000 m (33–42,500 ft), and are able to travel further (about 15 km/9 mi). However, the system is unable to engage targets at longer ranges, due to other factors such as the limitations of the radar tracking of the missiles“
Its an interesting vehicle but of no use in Warthunder.
the T-55AGM has an active protection system “PHANTOM” installed, I tried to find information on it but I couldn’t find anything except 2 photos
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Brotha yes
BM 9A33BM3 from the “Osa-AKM” complex with R-73 missiles installed instead of the standard 9M33M3 SAMs
The photo is not new, but it has hardly ever appeared in the information space before, so we decided to share it in slightly better quality. As part of this modernization, the standard BM was fitted with an APU-73 and additional equipment for target acquisition and guidance. As a result, the launch range has slightly increased (thanks to the new missile). This solves the problem with the lack of anti-aircraft missiles for the Osa-AKM, which we previously purchased from the Middle East and Africa (Telegram: Contact @vanguard_spacepro).
Here is the photo of Ukrainian Osa-AKM system fitted with Middle Eastern/African missiles
Exactly what i wrote:
No hidden message.
But if i see things like that:
Seriously?
A country which had the same hardware like the USSR / Russia until (at least) 1991 needs an own tree? For what reason exactly?
I mean if things go further south - there are no Ukrainian Armed Forces left in the next 6-18 months.
But if you think there is a need to go this way - be my guest.
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I see this more from a holistic pov - it looks like that gaijin / wt lost its soul long time ago, and the nation concept in itself needs an overhaul. It seems that nobody is happy if his own nation has not somehow access to the latest top tier vehicles - and the last remnants of things like realistic combat scenarios were replaced with fantasy alliances in a fantasy game play.
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I wrote somewhere elso - if Luxembourg would have test flown stuff like a F-35 and gaijin would offer a premium version - people will buy it.
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So as long as wt is following this path with pleasing the masses with new trees / subtrees allowing people to buy an overpriced premium vehicle from their specific nation - i am happy for both parties.
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But imho an allocation of a certain nation should also considering a basic approach regarding specific time frames. So if Ukraine was part of the Warsaw Pact is should be positioned together with the USSR / Russia until 1991 - and after 2014 against Russia. Just in order to avoid c+p vehicle spam like you see it in Air trees: 7 nations fly Bf 109s in 5 tech trees - and 5 nations with a P-51 C - fighting identical hardware outside a civil war is killing immersion / realism / fun…
Regarding your core points:
- Unique vehicles
- Combat proven hardware
From my perspective i see interesting domestic developments, but no technological milestones. In order to be attractive for players from other nations which enjoy different weapon systems i see no real “game changers” in the OP. So adding a modification here and there or a different cannon shell, missiles etc is simply not enough to generate the critical mass of player commitment in order to justify the investment by gaijin.
And even in case we would have a kind of op vehicle due to a very specific adjustment / combination - gaijin has the tendency to reserve those vehicles for US and USSR/RU players - simply because they are their largest customers.
The sole convincing point of an independent Ukraine tree would be a match making on actual political realities - so as described earlier until 1991 WP - then neutral until 2014 - and then part of the group US/Nato vs the World. In case gaijin would change their current fantasy MM approach i would fully support this - but not for rank IV and V stuff. It is rather disappointing to see historically irrelevant Nations like Israel or Sweden fighting actual WW 2 hardware with postwar / cold war stuff.