Finally waited for this on the new forum. I think it is worth considering Ukrainian modernization of Western tanks and russian armored vehicles.
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Actually this is a fact. Only M60 and Centurions with Shermans have the slightest differences in different branches. When Ukrainian modifications of tanks and AFVs have many differences from the Soviet / Russian ones, which will make them more effective in combat. This is like better thermal imagers on the T-64 and T-80 / 84. More resistant armor. Normal reverse speed. And if we talk about infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and other such light vehicles, then they have good security and an uninhabited combat module.
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You should blame Gaijin for the destruction of “realistic” matchmaking/vehicle eras.
Looking at you, Sweden.
As with every other tree in game, most of the UA trees vehicles are realistic to their era. With the exception of some modern APCs placed lower due to lacking capability.
Which of course, exists everywhere.
Thank you BMD-4, with thermals, an amazing ATGM & reload, at 8.7.
Fighting with the T-64A.
Atleast they moved the BMP-2M up, right?
So it fights with the T-64B.
I wholly understand your argument, I don’t like unrealistic Vehicle eras that much either, with a stupid Swedish rocket car being able to fight the Tiger-2H.
Or the BMP-1P being able to do so at an even lower BR.
But Gaijin has never cared, and the UA techtree is far from the worst example of “time-breaking” developments.
I can’t agree with this argument to withhold an entire, fleshed out and ready to go techtree.
With a capable lineup at almost every BR, unique developments, and unique modifications to existing vehicles which noticeably improve them. Unlike most of those Magach vehicles.
I hope you see my point
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If you say that you are afraid of the increase in T-tanks in the game after the addition of the Ukrainian tree, it means that you are afraid of the popularity of the Ukrainian tree… And we need popularity in the game! 🤔
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I see your point but you didn’t really saw mine.
I wanted to say that there are alreday enough T- versions in this game (USSR, China, Sweden …) so let’s not add another tech tree almost filled with those, again.
T-s are annoying to fight against, when they’re not simply biased so I really don’t want to see more in game.
So first, why would “you” (being Ukraine I guess ?) need popularity in game ?
Then, I’m not “affraid” of the popularity that this tech tree might have. First of all because it’s a copy paste from USSR so only hardcore fans will grind it. And then, what I am affraid of though, is the T-54/72/80 spam that we already have way too much in game.
Some said that the ukrainian variants are better than the soviet ones, so why would I want to fight against that ? Fighting a T-80 is already annoying enough, I don’t want a T-80+ right behind it.
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Thats basically soviet tree copy-paste, what is gameplay reason to make it independed? It just creates more grind.
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The real question is what people consider “copy paste”. If the Bulat-2 has a better ERA, engine (including reverse), and fire control system (sights and thermal imagers), new Kombat missiles, but the tank looks like a T-80 or T-64 in the game. Is that a “copy paste”?
On the other hand, when new Leopards 2 appear with minimal differences. This is considered normal… And yes, we are not talking about Shermans, M-60s and Centurions at all… They are simply identical in different nations.
This kind of equipment will definitely appear in the game. You can’t get away from this, because after the Second World War, tank building in all countries went in roughly the same direction. I’ll let you in on a secret, but the T-72 is a T-64 “clone” and the Leopard A5 is a clone of the A4…
Unfortunately, or fortunately, you guessed wrong. I am not from Ukraine!
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in terms of gameplay it will be a soviet copy-paste with different flag. I have huge doubts gaijin will implement anything unique to make it not feel like odd soviet. Or they will make their era and armor near useless, that will be cringe
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Copy-paste occurs when the tank looks the same and plays the same. Changing the optics or throwing ERA at it won’t make it become something else that it is.
And yes, leopards copy-paste or sherman ones are already a problem, so why add more ?
And seriously though, this tech tree proposal is really messed up … you’ve got 9 versions of the T-64 ! In what world is it fun to grind the same tank 9 times ??
Yeah sure this one’s got ERA and this one has better engine but in the end it’s just the same.
This entire TT is full of T-64s and T-80s without forgetting the already way too much widespread BMPs
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It’s actually not “messed up”. The current USSR tree has 6x T-72 throughout the tree. Russia has several other T-72’s that can be added to the game and many will be added. You’ve got the White Eagle, the original Ural, T-72B2 Rokata, T-72M1M, etc. and in this tree, many of the T-64’s are FOLDERED. You don’t even need to play them all. In a post I stated earlier that this is a WIP progress tree based on feedback, that means vehicles are fluid and can be added or removed as necessary. 🤷♂️ Additionally, no one is forcing you to play this tree or any derivative of it if it were added to the game.
Edit: I am okay with tweaking it so it’s a bit easier to make it to higher ranks as in foldering or repositioning vehicles.
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Sure, no one is forcing me to play it, but I will be forced to play AGAINST it and, as you mentionned, there are already way too much T-72 and BMPs.
I don’t want to fight another version of those (mostly biased) tanks and most of all I don’t want to play against a coalition of Russia, Ukraine, Germany, which will happen.
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Personally I see them as more of a counter (non-political wise) to the USSR tree. Anyways there’s a lot of popular tree ideas going around such as a Czechoslovakian tree, a Polish tree, or a Yugoslavian tree for example, that all use T-72’s, BMP’s, etc. that are modified to suit their own needs such as new optics, ERA, engines/drivetrains, etc. Not to mention there’s a decent chance that some Soviet-based vehicles could even end up in the British tree i.e. the T-90S Bhishma. These nations have a stronger chance to be implemented as independent nations in the short term when compared to a Ukraine tree and if they are, you’re going to have the exact same problems that bother you as what you would have with this tree. You know new nations are coming and there’s a very strong likelihood it will be one of them I mentioned earlier as there’s only so many left to add.
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Yeah, I have the same problem with them, but the ukrainian one was on top of the topics this morning so I chose to rant on this one.
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That’s fair 🤣
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yes they can. and as i said. imported vehicles are already verys crutinised by WTplayers. although if they were unique modifications not present anywhere else this dosent apply like for example the BM oplot
It may be scrutinized by some, but not by everyone. 🤷♂️ you can’t speak for everyone who are not complaining. Especially those for example, Finnish players, who get to enjoy playing vehicles their military uses.
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I have no problems with Shermans or Leopards. And I am calm about the number of T-64. I will say more, it allows me to collect interesting setups. I also understand that in the future there will be new tanks based on the ones we have now. It will be so! No matter how those who write about copypaste here want it, but it will happen. And more than once… And in my opinion, it would not be bad if it was something new, for example, a new nation. And not the expansion of the Soviet branch to cosmic proportions. Ukraine (and not only) is perfectly suited for this. In any case, this is what the discussion was created for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion…
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Well then if it’s bound to happen, there’s no need to have a forum.
Also the soviet tree won’t expand to cosmic proportions for the reason that even soviet players don’t want to grind the same tank 8 times.
Information from the old forum:
In 2021, a new camouflage for the Ukrainian armed forces was officially introduced. It is slightly different from what the author showed in the first post.
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