Even with these vehicles being hidden, the fact that so many are already copy+pasted vehicles is enough to say that the vast majority of this tech tree will be copy+pasted without question.
And don’t worry, I have more than enough information to know that you are not very good at this.
mmm What are you saying…
Please tell me in how many countries were M3 tanks present (m3)
M3 Stuart M3 or M3 GRANT
M4 Sherman (m36 on the same chassis)
M26 M46 and so on…
Let’s take the Chinese wooden one now… OH what do we have here
List ALL Tanks that are not Modifications but are completely new machines and not “copy-pastes” as you put it
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You are aware that those are not all good either, right? I did not think I would have to tell you that, but I had a feeling you needed me to hold your hand. Copy+paste vehicles are very rarely ever good for the game; maybe as captured or oddity vehicles here and there, but not as the vast majority of a tech-tree. The M3 Lee in both the Soviet and British tech trees are singular premiums; the M26 tanks are oddities as well for singular units. Maybe you should come back later when you research how to make a good argument?
For a tech tree to be unique, it should use unique vehicles. Does that make sense?
You didn’t answer the question about the Chinese “tree” of tanks… Isn’t that an inconvenient question…?
Argue? We haven’t gotten to that point yet.
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If you cannot understand what I have said three minutes ago in reference to your question of the Chinese ‘tree’ of tanks, then maybe you really are missing something that gaijin can’t offer. A tech tree with lots of vehicles that are copy+pasted is not good, or very much so worth the time to consider when the development team really should fix some problems with the game first.
All that had to be proven
This is a very, very rough translation of your words…
China is not a copy Tanks and planes are not copies, but Ukraine has copies…
Even if we leave aside the fact that the provision of tanks and planes from the allies after the Second World War gave a good incentive for development.
Oh yes, the T-44 was developed by the Kharkov Tank Plant of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic …
Then you can consider the T54 55 and other models as modernizations of the Ukrainian tank.
Isn’t it convenient?
During the Second World War, this plant was evacuated to Nizhny Tagil, where the Kharkov plant began working at the plant for the production of trains and wagons…
After returning to Kharkov, part of the capacity remained. So, the capacity of the Ukrainian Tank Plant remained in Nizhny Tagil. And now this plant (in Nizhny Tagil) makes T72 T90
How do you understand this then?
Again, you go into the historical context with no regard whatsoever of what I was talking about earlier.
I am referring to the labor and hours done developing a tech tree by Gaijin Entertainment. They make the video game War Thunder; not Ukraine, not Nizhny Tagil, and not Kharkov Tank Plant. Did you know that?
The labor and hours spent making a nation tech tree, which will have a majority of it’s vehicles being either slight modifications of tanks already present or with them being complete copy+paste vehicles - along with only a handful of unique vehicles - would be much better used in fixing the endless problems war thunder already has to deal with.
Did you know that War Thunder is a video game? And that video games that constantly underperform while being the only easily accessible version of their genre should really, really be fixed before more game parts are added. War Thunder is a video game, made by Gaijin Entertainment - and maybe it would be better to fix some problems first before adding more of what the game already has. Do you need me to explain it more for you?
Besides, all of the Ukrainian Tech Tree will perform the close to the same as the Soviet/Russian Tech Tree regardless. Why would Gaijin make another Soviet tech tree when they could just put more tanks into the Soviet Tech tree already in game?
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Lets Gaijin do their job, beside Ukraine ground vehicle does not as same as Russian ( some parts change and its build-in or reverse engineer in Ukraine itself, bro! Claim down and have fun with the game! and after I look in to the Ukraine Ground Tree, they are not Russia’s tank at all. Please be kind and fun also open your eyes wild!
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I honestly don’t understand such people, there are a lot of tanks in the game on the chassis of other countries, in some cases export or Lend-Lease… But for some reason, for Only in Ukraine all tanks are “Copy-pasted”
I wrote to him that the T-44 was an invention of the Ukrainian Tank Plant. in the city of Kharkiv.
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Oh nah Ukraine ain’t the only one
Ukraine in WT? Interesting
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I agree with you here, sorry I didn’t include other countries…
I’m just annoyed by people who are quite selective about things, because of their preferences or those that have been inspired by them.
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Okay, we’ll take your data and report back.
T54\T55 15 tanks
T34 (T34-85) 20 tanks
IS (including IS-7) 13 tanks
Yak-9 10 aircraft
BMP (including Chinese ZBD86) 7 tanks
BT-5 and BT-7 tanks and modifications to American Christie suspensions 7 vehicles
Yak-3 7 aircraft
Su-25 Grach 6 aircraft
Su-27- 5 aircraft including Chinese
PT-76-
T62 -
IL-10 -
Mi-8, -
T-28, -
Su-2 4 types each.
The list here will be very exhaustive. Here is the whole list Vehicle families | Vehicle Collections | War Thunder Wiki
Incredible Copypaste…
The T-44 is not an invention of a Ukrainian tank factory (which never existed), at least learn your own history!
The T-44 was created by an international team (with a large proportion of Jewish representatives) in Nizhny Tagil… Уралвагонзавод — Википедия
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But here’s the thing - wouldn’t it be better if the game was actually fixed, with all it’s current problems from poor balance, to the horrid economy, to bombers being completely broken and unusable, to who knows what other problems, first?
I’ve never been against a Ukrainian tech tree - but having Gaijin focus on making a tech tree which is almost entirely built up of vehicles already in the game to some degree or another, instead of having them fix the game to begin with, that’s just absolutely moronic.
I’m pretty sure you don’t understand ‘such people’ because you clearly don’t understand what I’ve been saying. Maybe go back and reread it, and try again when you learn english.
Wasn’t Morozov (Chief of Kharkov plant) Russian by birth?. Dunno why this cope about URSS vehicles dev on Kharkov a Ukraine thing.
You are not reading anything to the end!
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The period of the Great Patriotic War
In August 1941, by decision of the State Defense Committee, the Ural Tank Factory No. 183 named after him was established on the basis of the Uralvagonzavod and 11 evacuated enterprises. The Comintern. At the end of 1941, eleven enterprises were evacuated from the western part of the USSR, including a group of scientists from the Bauman Moscow Higher Technical School, the Ignatiev State Union Laboratory of Cutting Tools and Electric Welding, the Ordzhonikidze Moscow Machine Tool Plant, the Ilyich Mariupol Armored Plant, and the Kharkov Machine—Building Plant No. 183 (which was also known until 1939 - Kharkov Steam Locomotive Plant), Bezhitsky Steel Plant. The Ural Car Building Plant shut down production one after another: the carriage building, the experimental workshop, freeing up sites for the creation of a new Ural tank plant on the basis of enterprises evacuated to Nizhny Tagil. The basis of its production was the Kharkov Tank Plant No. 183 named after him. The Comintern. Yuri Evgenievich Maksarev, director of Plant No. 183, arrived in Nizhny Tagil. By the order of the plant dated November 10, 1941, the scheme of the plant management organization was approved[7].
The People’s Commissariat of the Tank Industry of the USSR approved a program for the production of T-34 tanks, which was steadily implemented by Plant No. 183 at Uralvagonzavod, as evidenced by the order of the plant’s director dated October 13, 1941, No. 1007, which sets deadlines and standards, namely, the production of 65 vehicles is scheduled for November.
By the end of the war, Uralvagonzavod had produced 25,266 T-34 tanks[8]. Every second T-34 tank that took part in the fighting rolled off the assembly line of this plant[9]. In addition, the plant produced armored hulls for IL-2 aircraft, aerial bombs (FAB, ZAB, HUB types), and artillery shells.
In 1943, the Ural Tank Factory played an exceptional role in the creation of the Ural Volunteer Tank Corps. Of the more than 200 pieces needed to complete the tank corps, he produced 145. 185 factory workers volunteered for the front in the spring of 1943. In total, more than six thousand workers took part in the battles of the Second World War, of which 3111 people died.
On May 26, 1945, the plant was renamed the Ural Railway Car Building Plant named after I. V. Stalin.
2… The factory in Kharkov was never called a tank factory!.. Завод имени Малышева — Википедия
3. Kharkov Armored Plant (renamed 15 years ago), it is a completely different plant (former factory) for the repair of armored vehicles of the Soviet era…
4.T-44_ T-44 - Wikipedia
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You forgot to add something
- The plant in Nizhny Tagil is the plant of the Kharikiv !
- What you “provided” is NOT true
(material from Russian Wikipedia)
T-44 (Object 136) is a Soviet medium tank developed in 1943-1944 by the Kharkiv Engineering Bureau of Mechanical Engineering under the leadership of A. AND. Morozov, was intended to replace the T-34 in the role of the main and medium tank of the Red Army. Despite the fact that a total of 1,823 machines were built, the T-44 did not have time to take part in combat operations. Serial production of the T-44 began in 1944, but during the Great Patriotic War it was carried out on a limited scale in order to prevent the reduction of the T-34-85 output during the implementation of large-scale offensive operations. In the second half of the 1940s, it was replaced by a more advanced T-54, which in turn adopted many units from the T-44. In the role of the main and medium tank, it never replaced the T-34-85, which was already replaced by the T-54. Nevertheless, the T-44, repeatedly modernized, remained in service with the Soviet Army until the 1970s.
- Facts or evidence can only be independent historical data and not “only correct Russians”
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