oh oh Sorry I haven’t been here for a long time.
If someone “thinks” that reactive armor on Abrams, Leopards, other tanks is unnecessary. You know very, very little.
It saves the “tank” The best from Germany, and the USA. we don’t use captured (NEW) ones! It’s not stable!
and when stuck 23mm 30mm Tracer incendiary… Burns like sparklers
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I agree, the ERA really does help. On things like the Leopard 1A5Vs, we’ve seen them take quite a few hits thanks to the ERA.
Also, I’m guessing, translator?
yes, but only a few. On many “tanks” it saves. There are a lot of ATGMs of various types, just created to penetrate the armor of Abrams and Leopard and others …
in Russia they have long been studying how to neutralize a “western tank”
I know because when I was still in school (and I am over 35 years old) we had lessons, let’s call them “army lessons” Many tank models starting from the T62 to the T90 have many shortcomings …
if you have an RPG or SMAv, you can destroy a tank … But it should be noted that it will not improve the protection either!
By the way, the best Javelins and Spikes … In the game they are presented quite limitedly, perhaps even the first modifications.
I liked the last one …
In short, in theory, the “Armata” can be destroyed by 1 Spike charge.
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I was looking for a good Leopard 2A6V picture and telegram doesn’t disappoint:
Leopard 2A6V
- Plenty of Kontact-1 Tiles on the hull sides and LFP/UFP, a retractable drone net, cage armor, and more. There’s a few that belong to the 21st Infantry Division. This field modification set has become a standard.
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Rosomak M1, Polish Might in Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇵🇱
- Equipped with the Hitfist-30P turret which features a 30mm MK44 Bushmaster II Autocannon, coaxial 7.62mm UKM-2000C machine gun, 2nd-generation thermal optics, and the Obra-3 Laser Warning Receiver all packed on a Patria AMV 8x8 chassis, the Rosomak M1 is well set for in-game combat.
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Question tho. If the T-34-85 was a reserve vehicle then everyone gets a free rank IV tank without having to grind. And there will be a lot of idiots using that tank and rank III-IV would be ruined, as a result of the no repair T-34-85 spam. Perhaps do something like Israel and make it available only for those who have rank IV vehicles in the Russian, or German tree?
well first of all, tree like this wont be ever present, at most its gonna be Ukrainian tech spread in USSR tree and modernized western tech spread in respective western TTs. And second, even if it happened, it would be like with helicopters or Israel, get tier IV in certain nations and have fun with it. That would work with some minor trees if there would be aim to not fill them up with quick grind consisting of 1-2 vehicles, or fill them up with C&P. That would honestly help solve to many conflicts in future so one nations do not get mad over other ones
I agree!
Anyone else want to take a break from posting for their political offtopic?
Please return to the topic.
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Long term projects from a leak has it part of an Eastern tech tree with Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc. Iran was listed as Russia’s sub-tree.
I’m not gonna lie, I don’t think this is the best idea. Seems like a good way for Gaijin to excuse making a lot of low-effort/copy+paste vehicles along with a few unique ones, just to try and rake in a bit more cash. Could be nice, but maybe after Gaijin fixes things that have been in limbo for literally more than a decade now. (bombers, cough cough)
Don’t get me wrong, having an additional nation to play with might be nice - but knowing gaijin’s track record for making copy+paste nations like the Finns and (somewhat) the Hungarians, I don’t think that they should be given a good excuse to go and forget about everything else they really should fix for once first.
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Ukraine has enough stuff that wont be copypaste like Hungry and Suomi
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Yeah, just… more T-64, T-80 or assorted BMP/BMD variants. The overwhelming majority of their tech tree will be either slightly altered USSR/Russian equipment, or just the same stuff. Sure, you’ll get the Oplots and some niche vehicles here and there - but again, it’s going to be copy+paste to the extreme. I’d guess somewhere in between the Israelis and Finns.
um, every modern vehicle is a modification to like every basic one… what else do you except? And even then they got a lot of prototypes like Ukrainian Merkava, even two of such. Multiple tank support vehicles too
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That’s not exactly a good example though, isn’t it? While many nations do indeed have lots of modifications of vehicles - you need to remember that these modifications are usually unique to these nations. The Abrams and it’s variants are completely unique to the USA tree - and same goes for the Challenger models, Lerclerc models, and Arietes to name a few. So while modifications and a bit copy+paste - they’re still wholly unique to these tech trees, without mentioning any of the more unique vehicles like the HSTV-L or OTOMATIC.
Meanwhile for Ukraine… they’d literally just be a jumble of everyone else’s unique vehicles, and any sub-variants that were made independently. It just screams “The devs want that sweet vacation bonus money and they want it done over-easy.”
Let’s start with the fact that the USSR is not Russia!
Russia, as part of the USSR, was called the RSFSR. You can check its borders and territorial limits on Wikipedia or historical geographic maps.
As I’ve explained to many others, the “achievements” and “developments” in tanks, ships, aircraft, energy, and many other fields belonged to all Soviet republics, not just Russia.
Each republic and country had its own improvements that never went into mass production simply because other factories lacked specialists to integrate them into the chassis.
You can look higher in this thread for Ukrainian tank developments during the USSR era.
I checked your game account. Are you aware that the “MS-1,” the first Soviet tank, was a copy and modification of the Fiat 3000? That’s the logic of your argument.
The BT-5 and BT-7 tanks were based on the Christie suspension.
And what about aircraft? Yak fighters could be considered an unsuccessful attempt at copying design elements from the American P-39 Airacobra.
The Tu-4 is essentially a reverse-engineered B-29, which was outright copied.
Air-to-air missiles like the K-13 (R-3S) were direct copies of the AIM-9 Sidewinder.
And if we’re being honest, most Soviet missile technology—including ATGMs, surface-to-air, and air-to-air systems—was based on American and Western developments.
The USSR was significantly behind in the development of semiconductor technologies, so instead of developing its own, Western chips were often copied. There were several main methods:
Purchasing through third countries - for example, through intermediary firms in Singapore or Hong Kong.
Smuggling - during the Cold War, the special services (KGB and GRU) were engaged in the theft of Western technologies.
Reverse engineering - they disassembled microcircuits, removed the markings, analyzed the structure and tried to create a copy.
One of the most famous cases is the copying of the Intel 8080 processor. Soviet engineers received the original chip, erased the markings from it and created its Soviet analogue KR580VM80A (corresponding to the Intel 8080).
Another example is the Soviet clone of the Intel 8086 processor, which was called KR1810VM86.
In the 1980s, the USA and Japan began to protect their microcircuits from copying, in particular:
They used complex multilayer structures that were difficult to disassemble.
They used self-destruct mechanisms in some military microcircuits.
This became a serious problem for the USSR, as they had to spend even more resources on analyzing new chips.
Western developers continued to embed protective markings directly into the circuit, which, when trying to erase or change, destroyed the chip itself.
So the “inventors” in Moscow erased the markings to pass off the chip as Soviet. But Bam, it doesn’t work
For two years, the Soviet “inventors” were looking for what the problem was…
Because they are very rare and at that time the marking was simply glued or covered with paint
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these modernized vehicles would literally belong to their own research trees, just under Ukrainian operator flag. Gaijin obviously wont be making bigger move, at least for now
Very good! You know your history, then. Congratulations! However, you completely missed my argument by a country mile.
I am referring to the actual effort it’d take to make these models in game - not the historical or technological developments of these vehicles. You are correct; many machines are, in fact, based off of machines built before them. This is true. However, I am referring to the effort used in order to actually make these tanks in game, of which, according to the example tech tree posted above…
- 6 T-54/55 Variants
- 6 BMP-1 Variants (7 If you somewhat count the BRM-1K, which looks to be just a modified BMP-2.)
- 7 T-64 Variants
- 8(!) T-72 variants
- 2 Leopard 2 Variants
- 3(A new record!) ZSU-23-4 Variants in the same tech tree
- 4 T-80 variants
And no less than fourteen other individual vehicles already present in other tech trees to some degree or other that I bothered to count. Not to mention many other slightly changed/slightly modified vehicles as well, like the aforementioned BRM-1K and Strela-10M3.
I will admit, the BMPT Strazh, Oplot line and BTR-4E models do seem interesting - but those are hardly enough to justify making a whole new tech tree when there are frankly more important matters that should be fixed for the game first. That, and a few of these - like the Object 432, and BMD-2 - would just as easily be added as premium tanks/additional tanks for the USSR tree.
So still no - this is still not a great idea given the status of the game still. Thanks for the minor history lesson, but you still didn’t make a good point.
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me TOO, I like their tank school, and they have “Poland” and “Czech Republic” literature about armored vehicles… there are detailed nuances, history, and a lot of technical information but without “secrets” everything in moderation…
I sat down once and read, then read, then hop, and then explanations in normal technical language
=) everything in life changes, they simply won’t have a choice
I have explained many times to people like you, with examples. Many models of equipment that I have presented here are “hidden” because the unpleasant truth is striking!
You are here recently, and I did not see how many people wrote to you and provided data about tanks.
Reading your messages, I had the idea that you have very, very little information