The Ukrainian T-64E is a well-armed tank. My friend from Ukraine collects these photos to make a 3D model. But unfortunately, not for War Thunder …
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Many people here argue that Ukrainian TT should be inside soviet tt or independent.
Theres lots of reasons why people think either way but IMO it should go to Soviet TT for more logical reasons such as: Ukraine has soviet past that has affected it and gave it abilities to make such tanks that people know as Ukrainian, and the fact Ukrainian modifications are based of soviet tanks.
Those two are in my opinion why Ukraine should go to USSR in WT, Russia literally has these same two arguments and it does go to USSR, if Ukrainian TT would exist on its own it would be same as splitting an Union of its allies (thats literally what it looks like rn).
Now of less political reasons. (IMO politics shouldnt exist in WT, a literal game without connection to politics, players take it too serious to political level)
Some may argue that USSR is long gone. And yes while thats true, thats not the case in WT, I can say more than that, many countries present in WT are long gone, does that mean that we should just take and dump WW2 tanks of USSR, Germany, Italy, Japan into other tech trees? (The answer is no)
Another argument for Ukraine to be in USSR TT is the fact all of its currently produced/modernised tanks take it’s origin from soviet designs up to this day. It’s more of soviet tank design school than it’s own. Ukrainian tank plant coupled with two Russians ones were the ones to make soviet designs we know (and some call outdated) this day.
Splitting a tech tree based of it’s tank plants would be as same unlogical as if splitting a TT of vehicles made by country that doesn’t exist today.
Considering how much of arguments this topic has caused, I less and less believe that Gaijin will ever say Yes to Ukrainian TT being added at all, thanks to all the arguments being held.
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It would be great if Yontzee could add Blastertitan’s suggestion to the first post about how the Ukrainian sub-tree could look like. I think it would solve all the problems. It could be similar to folders. When you reach the 5-6th rank of the USSR, you could choose to go further, get tanks from Russia or Ukraine. I think this would satisfy all the participants in the discussion.
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Yes i wish so too, i did see the the suggestion and i quite support it.
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Most of those people with arguments for “adding Ukraine into Soviet tree” just want to add some crippled and cut down version of AFU forces. “Just add a few premiums for soviets and be done with it”.
You can answer some simple yes/no questions in the meantime:
- Do you want to add 70+ Ukrainian ground vehicles from proposal into existing soviet tree?
- Do you want Leopards, Challengers, Abrams, Gepards, Bradleys and other extensively used western vehicles added to soviet tree?
If at least one of your answers is “no”, then you want some “funny” version of Ukrainian TT that has nothing to do with current reality established in the last two years.
Moreover, poll at the start of the topic completely contradicts your statement about controversial matter, as majority of participants (69% vs 31%) want Ukraine in the game as separate independent tree.
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They don’t have to add every single vehicle no, only the ones that are needed and can fill a gap or added as a new top of the line vehicle, as for western vehicles, the modified ones would be fine as they’re unique such as the Leopard 2A4 with Kontakt-1.
Also you keep bringing up geopolitics, none of that is relevant for War Thunder.
See, and now you started bargaining about the amount of vehicles added to try and justify adding crippled down version of Ukrainian TT to soviets. That only proves my point.
All listed vehicles will feel comfortable in the separate independent tree. Thank you very much.
I wasn’t bargaining anything, I’m using Gaijin logic also it doesn’t mean they’ll get an independent tree, just because you think they can or should, just like I think it should be apart of the Soviet tree in some way.
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Question: Yes, and while some may disagree with proposal saying ussr tree is big already, USSR had a lot of design buerauos dedicated to tanks.
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Political question and reason i should have stated to make it an independed one, and while i see there is a moral issue, that would be both denying soviet past of Ukraine and soviet designs behind Ukrainian tanks.
It’s another reason for Gaijin to just straight up not add Ukraine, after all Gaijin is sometimes considered Russian. -
Yes.
And while poll might say so there sure were arguments in the topic that i adressed, i know poll says otherwise yet there are people arguing.
And no, Ukrainian TT would be interesting if added in any form (except the one with only few premiums instead of TT or ST)
I support Blastertitan’s idea as the best one here.
Sorry if i missed on something , dont have much time.
And once again you turning things other way around to fit into soviet narrative.
It’s Ukrainian designs affected so called soviet tank development from 30s to modern times.
T-34 was developed in Kharkiv and affected future tank developments until 60s.
Tank engine V-2, which is still used until this day with minor modifications even on T-90M was developed in Kharkiv Locomotive Factory in Ukraine.
T-64 that started the whole MBT tank class and gave birth to cheaper and simplified copy called T-72 (which again, in the essence, still reused till this day under glorified “T-90” name), was also developed in Kharkiv.
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Does someone here knows a lot about Ukrainian aircrafts? I have couple questions to ask if you don’t mind.
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I think i know enough info, feel free to ask
I’m doing research into Ukrainian aircraft, and i see a big problem for Ukraine if its going to be added to war thunder as standalone tree. In terms of War Thunder most Ukrainian operational aircraft are above br 11.0, the only confirmed one that is below is Su-25 at 10.0. What I want to know if Ukraine indeed used early MiG-21s and if Ukrainian trainer jets L-39C / M / M1 were ever eqipped with some kind of air-to-air missiles and if not, if it’s even possible to do so.
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Ukraine (right after collapse of USSR) received some MiG-21/23/25 , Su-17(from non-mod to M3 versions), of course L-39`s. On conservation there was even Su-7, MiG-17/19 and some props, but idk what exactly was that props
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I worked with this site in the past and it proven to be very acurate, when I stated doing research on ukrainian MiG-21s, on this site it was stated folowing: “The 302 MiG-21bis aircrafts inherited from the Soviet Union were not put into Ukrainian Air Force service.”
According to the Ukrainian Wikipedia, after the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine received 377 MiG-21s (but it is not known in which models).
103 MiG-21 (810th Training Aviation Regiment)
102 MiG-21 (812th Training Aviation Regiment)
136 MiG-21 (702nd Training Aviation Regiment)
36 MiG-21 (228th Training Aviation Regiment)
All of them were used only for training. None of them survived until 2000.
Few are still on UAF balanse as training planes, as i know
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Not service as combat planes, but as training planes for MiG-23 pilots
Ukraine had some MiG-23M/ML/MLD(or MLA, not sure)
Fresh evidence of “Kombat” ATGM usage on T-64BM2 in 92nd Brigade (screenshot from Alaska tiktok video)
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