Would be a really nice addition to the tree if real, but the image is really weird and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s edited. Until there’s more evidence, it should be taken with a grain of salt IMO. Reportedly Militarniy posted this last year but quickly deleted.
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Hmm, personally I see nothing wrong, besides the obvious stretching caused by trying to blow-up a low quality photo. But, I can see the operators shadow against the rear launcher arm and missile, so I see no obv PS signs atm:
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But, anything’s possible, as always. I’m sure we’ll see more of them in good time.
Here’s a less-cropped version, if that helps:
In the same TG channel it’s said that R-73 can fly further than basic 9M33M3 missiles and it’s highly interesting due to the fact that R-73 is A-A missile and it’s originally not supposed to be launched from a ground vehicle
Brother no
“The 9M33M3 missile greatly enhances the altitude engagement envelope to 10–12,000 m (33–42,500 ft), and are able to travel further (about 15 km/9 mi). However, the system is unable to engage targets at longer ranges, due to other factors such as the limitations of the radar tracking of the missiles“
Its an interesting vehicle but of no use in Warthunder.
the T-55AGM has an active protection system “PHANTOM” installed, I tried to find information on it but I couldn’t find anything except 2 photos
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Brotha yes
BM 9A33BM3 from the “Osa-AKM” complex with R-73 missiles installed instead of the standard 9M33M3 SAMs
The photo is not new, but it has hardly ever appeared in the information space before, so we decided to share it in slightly better quality. As part of this modernization, the standard BM was fitted with an APU-73 and additional equipment for target acquisition and guidance. As a result, the launch range has slightly increased (thanks to the new missile). This solves the problem with the lack of anti-aircraft missiles for the Osa-AKM, which we previously purchased from the Middle East and Africa (Telegram: Contact @vanguard_spacepro).
Here is the photo of Ukrainian Osa-AKM system fitted with Middle Eastern/African missiles
Exactly what i wrote:
No hidden message.
But if i see things like that:
Seriously?
A country which had the same hardware like the USSR / Russia until (at least) 1991 needs an own tree? For what reason exactly?
I mean if things go further south - there are no Ukrainian Armed Forces left in the next 6-18 months.
But if you think there is a need to go this way - be my guest.
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I see this more from a holistic pov - it looks like that gaijin / wt lost its soul long time ago, and the nation concept in itself needs an overhaul. It seems that nobody is happy if his own nation has not somehow access to the latest top tier vehicles - and the last remnants of things like realistic combat scenarios were replaced with fantasy alliances in a fantasy game play.
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I wrote somewhere elso - if Luxembourg would have test flown stuff like a F-35 and gaijin would offer a premium version - people will buy it.
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So as long as wt is following this path with pleasing the masses with new trees / subtrees allowing people to buy an overpriced premium vehicle from their specific nation - i am happy for both parties.
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But imho an allocation of a certain nation should also considering a basic approach regarding specific time frames. So if Ukraine was part of the Warsaw Pact is should be positioned together with the USSR / Russia until 1991 - and after 2014 against Russia. Just in order to avoid c+p vehicle spam like you see it in Air trees: 7 nations fly Bf 109s in 5 tech trees - and 5 nations with a P-51 C - fighting identical hardware outside a civil war is killing immersion / realism / fun…
Regarding your core points:
- Unique vehicles
- Combat proven hardware
From my perspective i see interesting domestic developments, but no technological milestones. In order to be attractive for players from other nations which enjoy different weapon systems i see no real “game changers” in the OP. So adding a modification here and there or a different cannon shell, missiles etc is simply not enough to generate the critical mass of player commitment in order to justify the investment by gaijin.
And even in case we would have a kind of op vehicle due to a very specific adjustment / combination - gaijin has the tendency to reserve those vehicles for US and USSR/RU players - simply because they are their largest customers.
The sole convincing point of an independent Ukraine tree would be a match making on actual political realities - so as described earlier until 1991 WP - then neutral until 2014 - and then part of the group US/Nato vs the World. In case gaijin would change their current fantasy MM approach i would fully support this - but not for rank IV and V stuff. It is rather disappointing to see historically irrelevant Nations like Israel or Sweden fighting actual WW 2 hardware with postwar / cold war stuff.
There is no information on the Internet about this system at all.
Unknown if it’s soft-kill or hard-kill APS, characteristics are unknown, projectile detection type is unknown (Is it IR or UV sensors, or radar , all is unknown)
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Brother that is unbelieveable performance for a (ground-launched!) short range dogfight missile
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That is what stated on the channel, i don’t take credits for this information.
Also: slight increase can be just a 500 meters, nobody says precise information right now
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Footage has appeared of the Leopard-1A5 with protrction modernization, which was carried out in one of the specialized organizations.
The upper hull plate is equipped with a Nizh ERA, and the Kontakt-1 is installed on the turret. Leopard 1A5DK was equipped with a welded turret with spaced armor, while the hull remained similar to the first modifications of Leopard-1. The ERA is also installed on the sides of the hull.
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In my opinion upper hull detail is equipped with Duplet ERA due to it’s thickness, but i am no military expert to argue
Nah, not duplet … those are nozh ERA
Duplet is more rarer and much more heavier. These K-1 and nizh add-ons are already adding too much extra weight on top of the base tank’s weight.
Is this a Ukrainian ersatz MLRS based on the M113 with the installation of a Turkish copy of the towed MLRS type 63?
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From the photos description:
Croatian 128-mm RAK-SA-12 MLRS mounted on the HMMWV M1152 and M113 of the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine
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It’s modified by Ukraine and that makes it unique. That’s the main point of posting here, under this topic.
To have/collect as many unique/modified vehicles as possible to fill majority of the Ukr TT, in order to give the TT its own character and defend the usual “it’s just a copy-paste tree” counterpoint(s).
Independant Ukr TT in WT is not happening anytime soon, but in the meantime, let the community collect as many unique vehicles that pops up from real life.
Field modified vehicles/platforms are always one of the most interesting topics in all of defense community … not just in WT.
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The same can be said for the PLA vehicles as well … those are similarly USSR platform derived majorly.
A BM-Oplot is as much different from a T-80 is a ZTZ-99 from a T-72.
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Ukrainian Challenger 2s with camo-netting and other “organic” camo-bits
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My alternate suggestion still stands
A Visegrád TT (minus Hungary) with Ukraine as a sub tree instead.
(only if independent Ukr is a strict no-go)